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Photoshop vs. My Camera

By Scott on Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007 at 8:14 am | updates.

I was over at 1001 Noisy Cameras yesterday, and they pointed to a debate raging in the DP Review forums called, “Photography vs. Photoshop,” and as those things tend to go, it gets mean spirited pretty quickly (if you want to read the debate, click here).

It brought to mind my Editor’s Note from this issue of Photoshop User magazine, where I talked about “Getting it right in the camera” and my motivation to do just that. For those of you that aren’t NAPP members, here’s an excerpt from my Editor’s note:

“Recently, I was lucky enough to spend the day shooting with, and learning from one of the hottest wedding photographers in the industry—the amazing David Ziser. David was hired to shoot a huge black-tie wedding in Cincinnati and he was kind enough to invite me to come along so I could get a behind-the-scenes view of how he shoots a wedding of this scale. It was really an amazing experience, and even though I was technically there just auditing the wedding, I still wound up shooting about 1,200 frames.

David let the wedding party know I was a “Photoshop Guy” and sure enough, a couple of the groomsmen were both photographers and Photoshop users. During one of the formal group portraits, we had one person missing; one of the groomsmen looked at me and said, “Don’t worry—you can add her later in Photoshop,” and then everybody chuckled. I smiled and said, “You know it!” Then we went to find the missing cousin.

The funny thing is, I had something totally different in mind. I was thinking to myself, “I don’t want to add her later. I don’t want to ‘fix it in Photoshop.’” Just because I know how to add her to the shot doesn’t mean I want to spend my time doing that. In fact, I pretty much hate doing that kind of production work. I want to spend my time doing fun stuff in Photoshop—not spending time working on something I could have fixed in two minutes right there during the shoot.

The same thing happened recently when I was shooting a lighthouse in Maine. The lighthouse was on an island, and on the left side were all these distracting telephone poles and cables. My wife came down on the rocks where I was shooting and asked why I had this annoyed look on my face; I explained about the poles and wires. She said, “Can’t you just take them out in Photoshop?” Yup, I could but I really hate doing that, so I just moved my camera to a spot where I could compose the frame without the wires being visible. That was much faster and easier—getting it right in the camera.”

A lot of people are surprised to hear a Photoshop Guy saying stuff like that, but like a lot of people, I’d rather save my time in Photoshop for the “fun stuff.” For finishing my files, not fixing them. In other words; life’s too short to spend your time removing telephone wires. ;-)

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  1. #1

    You are so spot on with that Scott.
    Like when I get out hairspray in the studio to tack down frizzy hair..
    ‘Can’t you just fix it in Photoshop?’. ‘Sure honey, but this only takes 2 seconds!”

    Sean McCormack on October 2nd, 2007 at 8:27 am
  2. #2

    Photoshop to me is a crutch, not a tool, when it comes to being a photographer. That’s why I like lightroom more and more now. It lets you adjust for the digital camera-ness but not modify the photograph too much in ways that Photoshop will.

    I have a non-photography co-worker who takes photos in his spare time, however he spends an hour ‘fixing’ the person to make them look better. Airbrushing them if you will. He removes wrinkles under the eyes on a 70 year old person, he thins out his wife (wishful thinking on his part, or what I don’t know) and many other ‘tweaks’ that he swears real photographers do. I keep pointing out the amount of time it takes him and he swears that others would do it because they could ‘do it faster’. It’s an ongoing debate between us and I just don’t bother anymore.

    I’m always striving to ‘get it right in camera’ and even barely touch the exposure buttons if I can help it. Still haven’t got it perfect, but that’s what you should strive for, not ‘fix it in photoshop’

    My $0.02

    Tom Boucher on October 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 am
  3. #3

    Hi Scott,

    I could not agree with you more.

    I’m an photographer/imaging specialist and so many time people say: “Don’t worry about this you can fix it later” . What they don’t realize is that it will take so much more time fixing it later. Don’t take me wrong I’m a big fan of Photoshop, I work with it everyday and love my job :)

    I just answer a survey that my photography teacher sent me to revamp the Photography program. That was one of my biggest point, please teach them how to get it in the camera first. So many photography student now don’t know how to expose properly, it’s so sad.

    Any way that was my $0.02 too :)

    Marie-Soleil on October 2nd, 2007 at 9:45 am
  4. #4

    I’m agree with you Mr Kelby! Potoshop is nice software for nice thinghs.
    Thanks for all. Your books fire my potography passion… (Bad english it isn’t it?)
    P.S. Did you planning a visit in Italy?

    Luciano Marino on October 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 am
  5. #5

    You are absolutely right! I love working on Photoshop and people automatically assume removing/adding people or objects takes no time just because I was able to give my friend clear skin with in 20 seconds doesn’t mean adding someone to the picture will take 20 seconds. I rather learn more tricks with Photoshop than adding a subject to the picture that could have been during the taking of the photo

    By the way, I just read your digital photography book and you are hilarious! It was the best photography book I have ever read! Very simple and very good! (you did get me fooled couple of times in the book) :)

    Magdalena Soszka on October 2nd, 2007 at 10:49 am
  6. #6

    Well said.
    By the way, could you point me in the direction of improvement for the less prof. camera users like myself.
    I am never going to lug around a camera I cannot afford to shoot moments in our lives. I have a basic Canon PS A630 which fits nicely in my purse. And is available when moments in my life happen. Out of 10 pics, 2-3 keepers. KWIM? TYIA for any tips/help you could point me towards.

    Jeannie on October 2nd, 2007 at 10:59 am
  7. #7

    Scott,

    I have heard, read and participated in discussions about Photoshop vs. My Camera. I am a novice at best in both using my camera and Photoshop. I would agree with most everyone and try to fix it in the camera versus fixing it in post production.

    However, as a former mechanic I know how to use the tools in hand. Photoshop and a Camera are both complimenting tools. Sometimes we or I just can’t avoid doing it right the first time in the camera. Photoshop affords me the ability to have a second chance.

    I did run across a good article in PopPhoto.com,
    Editorial: Special FX
    How one creative photographer channels his inner Dali with no help from Photoshop.

    Give it a read.

    Kirk on October 2nd, 2007 at 11:06 am
  8. #8

    I am still not sure what amazes me more - that this debate even exists, or that it engenders such hostility and mean-spiritedness. Why can’t we all just get along? More pragmatically, I have found that when this debate rages and I feel the need to be true to my Canadian roots and play peacekeeper, I just ask the beligerents which is better - Canon or Nikon. That sets them running rabidly in a different direction and give sme the chance to run like hell.

    David duChemin on October 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 am
  9. #9

    For me it is like writing. If I have to go back and fix things all the time, it takes much longer than getting it right the first time.
    Thanks Scott for the reminder.
    Mel

    Mel Lammers on October 2nd, 2007 at 12:03 pm
  10. #10

    Scott, were you at Nubble Lighthouse? If so, I try to photograph it every year when my wife and I head back to Maine to visit my family. If it wasn’t Nubble, which one was it?

    Kim G on October 2nd, 2007 at 12:22 pm
  11. #11

    100% agree. When I shoot my goal is the perfect shot. I have very little time to playing around in Photoshop adding things I could have added when I made the shot.

    Photoshop is my playground - where I go to to have fun and relax. It’s where I experiment, it’s where I test the boundaries of my creativity. I NEVER soot thinking I can add something later in Photodhop.

    Scott, once again you hit the nail right on the head.

    Carl Pullein on October 2nd, 2007 at 1:02 pm
  12. #12

    Great Blog entry Scott. I couldn’t agree more. Photoshop is a nice tool but as a photographer it is more pleasing to capture the real thing rather than to make it the way that it could have been. And all those little small tweaks sure do take a lot of time.

    So next week in Photoshop User TV a tip for photographers? With a camera instead of a MacBook Pro ;-)

    Rolph on October 3rd, 2007 at 2:30 am
  13. #13

    Very true! And quite quotable: “life’s too short to spend your time removing telephone wires.” Extremely funny.

    I am new to both photography and Photoshop. So for me it’s easier to take it right than to fix it later. But when I do mess up the exposure or need to crop something out and frame differently, you have taught me great things. Thanks.

    ~Sheryl on October 3rd, 2007 at 12:54 pm
  14. #14

    If photography is just in the camera then the only true photographers are those who shoot slide film and Polaroid’s. They are the only ones that do not do post manipulation. And we all know that Ansel Adams only took his development to Kodak from printing. Ever great photographer has improved their work in post production. What is important is that we are honest about our work and how it has been achieved.

    You are right “life’s too short to spend your time removing telephone wires.”

    Allen Arnold on October 4th, 2007 at 5:38 pm

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