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Lighting Gear Week Q&A

By Scott on Tuesday, March 18th, 2008 at 5:14 am | updates.

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First, thanks to everyone who participated in my “Lighting Gear Week,” last week. There were a lot of great follow-up questions, and I wanted to answer them as they were posted, but I’ve been on critical deadline on a new book, so I couldn’t get a chance to answer them (at least not until now).

So, I put this together to address some of the questions from last week (and I’m paraphrasing some of the questions for clarity), and I hope you find it helpful. (NOTE: All five days are covered here, so for the other day’s questions, make sure you click the MORE link below). Here goes:

Day 1: Budget Off Camera Flash

Q. I’m not the getting the whole “firing the flash through the umbrella on a stand thing?” Can you show us a photo of how that looks?

A. Sure (see the photo below).

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Q. Nikon’s SB-600 is a lot cheaper than the SB-800. Can I get away with using it instead?

A. Yes, technically you could get away with it, but honestly, I’ve never met anyone who bought an SB-600 that at one point didn’t say, “I wish I’d gone ahead and bought the SB-800,” so I can’t recommend it with a clear conscience. I’ve also never met a single person who bought the SB-800, who later said “I wish I’d bought the cheaper model with less features.”

Q. Can you guys do some videos on Kelby Training.com using the off camera flashes?

A. Joe McNally, the master of on-location flash, has finished recording a class for us, live on location and I’ve seen some of it, and was there on location for other parts, and it is absolutely brilliant. I’ve never seen anything like it (I’ll do a post when it goes live on the site).

Q. Can you show us how to make the SB-800s and the Canon flashes work wirelessly? I’ve read the manual and I just can’t figure it out.

A. Well, here’s the thing: I did two step-by-step video tutorials that show exactly how to set-up wireless flash for both Nikon and Canon cameras, but the videos were created for people who bought Volume 2 of my book, “The Digital Photography Book” and I posted the links to those videos right in the book (check out pages 10 and 12 for the links). Since I created those videos as a special bonus for people who bought the book, it wouldn’t be right to post them here, but if you’ve got the book—go pull it out, and turn to those pages.

Q. How did you trigger the flash you’re holding in your hand in the photo at the top of the page from Day 1?

A. I didn’t. It was just a sample photo from the book showing how you fire the camera with one hand and hold the flash in the other. I needed a photo showing wireless flash, so I used that one. I never thought it would have been so closely examined, or I would have brushed my hair. ;-)

Q. Can I use a transmitter, like a PocketWizard or Skyport to fire off camera flashes?

A. You betcha. Put the transmitter in your hot shoe, and connect a receiver unit to your Nikon or Canon off-camera flash.

Q. I already have one off-camera flash—do I need to get a second for casual/creative work?

A. Nope—you can do an awful lot with just one flash, but I would definitely get a reflector (it makes a very inexpensive fill light).

Q. I have a Nikon D40x, could some one advise me on how to use a wireless flash on it?

A. It doesn’t have a “Commander Mode” built-in, so you’d need to get the Nikon SU-800 Commander Unit, and that will control your wireless flash or flashes.

Q. Where can I learn more about wireless flash?

A. The best site, hands-down, is David Hobby’s “The Strobist.” There’s nothing else like it on the web (here’s the link).

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DAY 2: Taking Off Camera Flash Up A Notch

Q. Is there an advantage to using a diffuser over an umbrellas?

A. I sure think so. The only other use for an umbrella occurs if it starts raining. However, a Diffuser, besides being more flexible (you can move it anywhere, and fire multiple flashes through it), also is “A diffuser!” You can use it for outdoor natural light shoots, and it works miracles; creating soft light in the worst possible conditions. So, a diffuser does “double-duty.

Q. I saw that your Location Kit at B&H photo is sold out. Do you know when they’re going to be back in stock?

A. I just checked B&H today, and they’re back in stock again. Here’s the link.

Q. Do you feel the Lastolite Hot Shoe Softbox (reviewed by Laurie Excell in Photoshop User) is an option for a portable lighting setup like the one you are suggesting?

A. Honestly, I haven’t tried the “Lastolite Ezybox” yet, but if Laurie (who runs NAPP’s Gear Desk) gave it five-stars, that’s good enough for me—I’m going to go ahead and order one.

Q. I have the D300 and the SB800…and for the life of me have not been able to get the SB800 to work wirelessly without using my popup flash on camera. I understand that there are preflashes that need to occur, but I believe my flash is firing even when I’ve “commanded” not to. Can you help???

A. I can help. You do have to pop up that flash, but in the D300 you have to switch your pop-up to Commander Mode. It will then only emit a light pulse—just enough to trigger the wireless flash, but not enough to light your subject at all. If it appears that you it is throwing some light on your subject, you don’t really have it turned off [it should read as two dashes (- -) ] in that menu.

Q. There’s only one problem with “The Scott Kelby Location Kit”. The clamps from Manfrotto won’t fit to the tripods from Impact in the way Scott is mounting it on the movie file from B&H-photo. You need some adapter screws.

A. They actually come with two tiny screw-on adapters that you need, but because they’re so small, some people miss them in all the packaging, but look for them—they are there.

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DAY 3: Shooting with Westcott Spiderlite TD-5s

Q. How do you use a Sekonic Light meter to meter these continious Fluorescent lights?

A. Since the light is continuous, just like natural light is continuous, you’d meter it the same way you would if there was no softbox, and just real window light (at least, that’s what I do).

Q. Are Spiderlites dimmable?

A. Nope. They have three levels of brightness (low, medium, and high), and that’s it. I always leave mine set at high.

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Day 4: Pro Quality Studio Flash

Q. Did you forget to tell everyone that they get free Shipping from B&H Photo if you’re a NAPP member?

A. Yup (I was focused on the whole lighting thing). I just went to B&H to see what the shipping would be on the Wish List I put together. The US Shipping was $49.20 (but the RX-600s I recommended are already out-of-stock, so I used the RX 300’s for calculate the shipping, and they may be lighter, so the shipping might be slightly higher), so as a NAPP member, you’d save nearly 1/2 of your annual membership on just that one order.

Q. Do European NAPP members get free B&H Shipping?

A. I don’t believe so, but keep letting B&H know you want it, and you never know.

Q. How do you compare your Elinchrom Gear to Profoto gear?

A. I’ve only had one Profoto strobe and I never had the first problem with it, but since it was just one piece, it wouldn’t be fair for me to do a comparison with just that one strobe (no profoto softbox, even), vs. an entire Elinchrom system. I do think price vs. value is important, and the Elinchrom stuff, for the high level of quality you get, is absolutely a killer deal. By the way, the photo at the beginning of this Q&A shows the 53″ midiOcta softbox.

Q. Shouldn’t it be two A420 Lightstands on your B&H Wishlist?

A. You’re absolutely right. Thanks for catching that (I’ve updated the wishlist accordingly).

Q. Are you gonna cover backdrops/backgrounds?

A. Unfortunately, not in this series, but that’s a good idea for a future series on studio accessories (but not next week—it’s too close to Photoshop World). :)

Q. I would be interested in hearing in more detail why you are more satisfied with the Elinchrom units vs the units you were using.

A. Three things really drew me to them:

  1. I want consistency. I wanted all my strobes to work the same way, to use the same style of softboxes, to have the same output, fit on the same stands, etc. Cobbling together different rigs, and not having the right speedring for the strobe you just mounted was really starting to wear me down (and waste a lot of time).
  2. I really loved the idea of running the entire studio from the top of my camera (from the tiny Skyport Transmitter), or from my laptop with the Skyport software. Once you do that, it changes everything. As Terry White (who bought the exact same set-up) told me “When you told me about the Skyports running the power of the lights, I thought, ‘yeah, that might be cool,’ but dude [yes, he said “dude”], “I had no idea how much I would love that feature.”
  3. Portability and usability. The Elinchrom softboxes fold up like an umbrella with the speedlight still attached, so set-up/teardown takes just minutes. There’s a little handle on the back of the strobes that makes positioning easy (it’s the little things), everything’s lightweight yet rugged, and the softboxes themselves don’t only produce great light–they look great doing it. Design matters, especially to creative people (although I must admit, the strobes themselves have a bit of that “old iMac” look to them, but what clients and people on the set mostly see are the softboxes, which look great!).

Q. OK, you’ve got my curiosity up. Can the Skyports totally replace the PocketWizard Plus?

A. They have replaced mine in the studio (Though, I still have keep them for my SB-800s when I can’t use line-of-site triggering). I think PocketWizards are great—they never break down, and they just plain flat out work. They just wouldn’t do for me what the Skyports do with those RX strobes, so I switched for all my studio work.

Q. I have a question about the RX600’s. Will they work with the Ranger battery packs for location work?

A. The connectors on the Ranger are totally different, so I’m going to say “no,” but there may be an adapter that lets you use them—-I’m just not aware of it. Maybe someone out there who has tried it will post their experience on this.

Q. Scott– did you give up on the monster Octabank? I LOVE mine!!!

A. Absolutely not. It’s my in-studio “go-to” light when I want the absolute most luxurious light possible. There’s nothing like that Octa, but for everything else, I use that 54″ mini.

Q. Scott — that McNally guy convinced me to get an Elinchrom Ranger pack and head setup… I found an old one on eBay and I love it. I know they are big bucks but I’ve never regretted it. I’ve often considered buying a second one. Your thoughts??

A. I’m thinking about the same thing. They’re around $729, so I have to wait for a birthday, Father’s Day, St. Patrick’s Day (hey!), or some other semi-legitimate reason for my wife to buy me one. Here’s the link (That’s not a hint. Unless you’re my wife).

Q. What light meter can work wirelessly with the Skyports?

A. I don’t know of a meter that fires the Skyports like some of the built-in Sekonics, do. I’m not saying there’s not one out there—I just don’t know about it.

Q. Can you tell me which strobe would you recommend using inside of a Lastolite hilite…I’ve just ordered one but I need a strobe strong enough to fill the inside of it.

A. Believe it or not (are you ready for this), my answer is: Any old strobe. I usually turn the power down to around 1/4—you need much less light than you’d think. Just remember to put a reflector on it (to keep the heat off the material), and aim it at the back of the Hilite.

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DAY 5: Studio Lighting for Location Shooting

Q. What are the set-up and take-down times of the Elinchrom 74″ Octabank?

A. Although McNally totes this puppy about everywhere he goes, he has a brawny assistant (named Brad, the Brawny Assistant) that sets it up for him, and Brad will tell you—it’s a little bit of a load to set up. I’ve done it myself a number of times, and although one person can certainly do it, it’s easier with two. It takes about five minutes to put the rig together (though Brad can probably do it in three. But then, he can squeeze toothpaste back into the tube).

Q. Scott now you seriously need a video on Kelby Training on using the Elinchrom Ranger outdoors. I guarantee it would be a best seller!

A. Is it OK if Joe McNally does it instead? Because he did. On location, doing a fashion shoot at an abandoned ice factory. Amazing stuff. I’ll let you know when it goes live.

Q. You wrote, “When you’re not shooting on location, it makes a killer studio strobe that plugs into a standard electrical outlet.” Is that correct?

A. We do it all the time. It is a lead gel battery (like a car battery) which isn’t effected by being plugged in all the time.

Q. If I bought this on-location system, would I still be able to use it as my main studio system as well? Do you have both systems?

A. You can use both on location and in the studio, which is exactly what I do. It’s great anywhere.

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Well folks, this officially (and completely) wraps up my first ever Lighting Gear Week. Now, if the question you wanted answered wasn’t covered here, you’re kinda outta luck, ’cause I’ve got to get back to work on other stuff. But I hope the questions I answered here were of some help, and I hope the series helped to remove any fear you might have about a really fun side of photography that more and more people are getting turned on to these days

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  1. #1

    Scott,

    Thanks so much for taking the time to carefully answer all of our questions (you answered mine, anyway).

    I have no idea how you find the time to do all that you do each day…maybe you should include a tutorial on Kelby Training about time management…you seem to have that mastered along with everything else you do.

    Cheers, and have a great day!! (It is night time here…)

    Scotty

    Scotty Graham on March 18th, 2008 at 7:08 am
  2. #2

    Scott,
    Although we have never met, I am one of those people that bought an SB-600 and doesn’t regret it. I will most likely get a SB-800 at some point, but I know I can continue to use my 600 when I do. Heck, I will most likely say that the 800 is indeed much better, but will I ever regret getting the 600? I doubt it. The 600 has enabled me to start using a speedlight much sooner (yeah, sorry to say that $ is that tight in our household) than waiting and saving for the 800.

    But, like I have always said… This is your blog and you can write about how premium pigs-in-a-blanket are better than regular ones, if you want. It is up to you, buddy!

    Although I don’t agree with everything you say, your blog is a very good source of info and I visit it every day (many times in one day, actually). The photographic community would be a little emptier if you decided to quit.

    Sam on March 18th, 2008 at 7:17 am
  3. #3

    Excellent recap/answers to FAQ! I am sure you realize this ….but this kind of personal attention to avid followers/customers goes farther to insure your/NAPP/Kelby Training etc. future success than anything else you could do….not that I mind talking to the help desk in Bombay mind you….not that YOUR help desk is in Bombay…is it?

    Thanks!

    Not Tack Sharp

    Ned Leary on March 18th, 2008 at 7:17 am
  4. #4

    Hi Scott,

    You are a man who must get very little sleep!

    I am with Scotty on the SB-600. I bought it purely because of lack of funds, and found it to be a nice little unit. Once I save up for a SB-800, my 600 will be my second off camera flash. A win-win I think! :)

    Keep up the great work!

    Mark Allen on March 18th, 2008 at 8:09 am
  5. #5

    No further comments, just a huge thanks for this series and FAQ. Very insightful. Have fun at Photoshop World, and good luck with the new book.

    Trevor Morris on March 18th, 2008 at 8:22 am
  6. #6

    Before anyone asks. those page numbers for the links to the videos on setting up Nikon and Canon flashes wirelessly are p. 10 and p.12 of The Digital Photography Book, volume 2.

    Cindy S on March 18th, 2008 at 9:33 am
  7. #7

    Thanks Scott this has been a great series… And thanks for reminding me to check those videos from your books I totally forgot!

    Chris on March 18th, 2008 at 9:39 am
  8. #8

    Quote: “Q. What light meter can work wirelessly with the Skyports?
    A. I don’t know of a meter that fires the Skyports like some of the built-in Sekonics, do. I’m not saying there’s not one out there—I just don’t know about it.”

    Any light meter with sync connector can work with Skyports by connecting light meter to Skyport Universal Transmitter.

    Sead on March 18th, 2008 at 9:52 am
  9. #9

    Thanks so much for this great series on lighting!

    Tom on March 18th, 2008 at 10:22 am
  10. #10

    I love all ov your training and help… I feel sooooooooo far behind, I have equipment that is so old and (fuji S2 pro, Nikon SB 28 etc.) and I’m really working at updating my stuff, Your classes and this blog really helps me prioritize things, and decide what I need to buy first etc..

    Thanks again
    Barb

    Barbara Parker on March 18th, 2008 at 10:40 am
  11. #11

    To the guy that asked about videos that Scott said were for people who bought Vol 2 of TDPB. Episode 71 (March 5, 2007) of Photoshop User TV featured Anne Cahill from Nikon Professional services doing an in studio demonstration of how to get the wireless system working on Nikon cameras. if you are a NAPP member, you can check out the episode for free, or just purchase the episode for 2 bucks (or for those of you who are PUTV junkies and have every episode archived in itunes, go back and pull it up). just an FYI

    Joe Gass on March 18th, 2008 at 11:10 am
  12. #12

    Scott, it may just be me, but the angle on the umbrella looks wrong. It looks like it’s the down angle, rather than the up. The hole for the umbrella is angled and if the flash and umbrella were on the other side of the umbrella, you’d be facing the centre of the umbrella.

    Sean McCormack on March 18th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
  13. #13

    Do you ever allow aspiring photographers come to your studio and look at your lighting equipment before they buy? Say maybe after your trip to Orlando? If they say “please”?

    Elise on March 18th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
  14. #14

    Scott,
    Thanks a bunch for taking the time out of your busy schedule to answer our questions. And thanks again for the timely post. I am right in the middle of looking to get some low budget stuff, read, I got small bonus and my wife is letting me spend a small part on photo stuff.

    Always enjoy your posts.

    -Scott
    PS you talked about Mr. McNally finishing up a On line class for you. I am sure you have seen it but he had the funnies post this past Saturday. I almost lost my mouth full of coffee when I read it. For anyone who didn’t read it you can find it here.

    http://www.joemcnally.com/blog/2008/03/15/back-on-a-plane/

    Scott on March 18th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
  15. #15

    Sean,

    I concur with your assessment that the umbrella is backwards in the holder and the speedlight is pointing the wrong way.

    The center of the umbrella should line up with the speedlight when properly set up.

    TJ Asher on March 18th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
  16. #16

    Excellent Q&A, thanks so much and keep up the good work!

    Fred on March 18th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
  17. #17

    Hey Scott

    Thanks for all the info about lighting.
    Are you going to do any Lightroom tours this year?
    If so, what lighting equipment are you going to use?

    Thanks

    Harold Blouin on March 18th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
  18. #18

    Thanks Scott!

    I really learned a lot this past week!

    -Ryan B.

    Ryan B on March 18th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
  19. #19

    Scott,
    I don’t know how you do it all. Do you ever get any sleep? You’re incredible. Keep up the good work. You make photography fun.
    Thanks for all you do,
    Janice

    Janice Threlkeld on March 19th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
  20. #20

    Scott- Did you ever figure out what boom arm you’re using with your stands?

    Charles on March 20th, 2008 at 8:31 am
  21. #21

    Scott,

    Thanks for the info! Quick question though. You mentioned that you still keep the PocketWizards for when you need to use the SB-800s when they are not “in line sight”… “(Though, I still have keep them for my SB-800s when I can’t use line-of-site triggering)”… Do the SkyPorts have to be right in line in order for them to trigger? I checked their site and could not seem to find any information on this. They make it sound (even in your video post) as if you can pretty much have your lights set anywhere and these things will fire.

    James on March 21st, 2008 at 7:02 am
  22. #22

    I use only SB-600s. I looked at the SB-800 and even borrowed one for a while but I just did not see the improvement to be worth 2x the $. With a D-300 and CLS from the on camera flash I have not missed having a SB-800. The extra features don’t really apply to the 2 light setups like I use. You can buy 2 SB-600s for the price of one SB-800. You get MUCH more light and flexibility for the $. I have been able, in every case, to simply move the flash and umbrella closer if I have needed more light so missing the extra stop of light from the SB-800 is not a problem for me. Finally it is extra weight to carry around and I don’t have an assistant to lug my bag for me so every extra ounce matters!

    Anyway, now you know of at least one person who does not have a SB-800 or want one and does have a SB-600 instead.

    Shadowgolem on March 25th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
  23. #23

    Hi Scott,
    I just bought your Digital Photography Book Vol. 2. It has some great tips.
    I am trying to use a 580 EX and a 550 EX, to go wireless as you described.
    The only thing I can’t figure out how to do is turn the 580EX off .I do not see an off selection above the word master when I turn the select dial. Is the procedure different with a 580EX?

    Thanks, Dave

    david c. ayers on April 7th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

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