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My Day With Jay

By Scott on Monday, May 19th, 2008 at 1:41 am | updates.

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When I was up in New York a couple of weekends ago to take that workshop from Lou Manna, I got the incredible opportunity to spend the day before shooting the streets of New York with a true living legend; Jay Maisel.

I’ll describe it to you the same way I described it to my wife; I told her …”it was like spending the day in a documentary.” Each corner we turned, he had another fascinating story. Each street we walked, there was another photography lesson, or just a lesson about life. He shared stories of old New York, people he knew, people he shot, advice he had been given, jobs he’d taken, and I did my best to pick up on every little nugget he threw out.

We were barely out of his building when he pointed out my first mistake. We were going out to shoot the people of New York, and Jay had this very small, inconspicuous lens. I, on the otherhand, had a large fast lens with an even larger lens hood. Jay asked me, “Which is going to be more intimidating to people on the street? Your camera or mine?”

He then added a colorful analogy that clearly explained the correlation between the time it takes a New Yorker to grab your camera and (ahem) shove it in an area where things were designed to exit, and the size of the lens you’re pointing at them. I immediately got the point, but all I could do was take off the lens hood and turn it around, so it didn’t extend nearly as far. We hadn’t even left the building, and I already knew I wouldn’t make that mistake again.

I had made up my mind that even though we were specifically wandering around New York just to shoot, for the sheer fun of shooting, I was going to listen more than shoot, and I’m so glad I did. He shared so much as we walked, mostly about taking the time to really see what’s around you. Jay is a master at finding shots where it seems there are none. He looks at everything. He sees things on a street, he sees shots, he sees opportunity, he sees the light, he sees the color, he sees shape in ways that I’ll just never see. He would constantly stop and point out things, or take a reference shot of an area he’d want to come back and shoot when he can focus on making the shot.

If you ever get to the point that you think “it’s about the camera,” you should spend a day with Jay. He could make magic with a Kodak disposable camera. He really challenges you to slow down. To look around. To explore an area and really see what’s happening around you. He would point out scenes, moments in time, interaction between couples; parents and their kids, or a light bouncing up from a book being read by a woman reading silently in the park that I would have just walked right by and missed.

He captured fascinating shots during our Subway ride; then from the 2nd story window of a Whole Foods market; he shot though a department store window, and he shot people standing right beside him, who will never know their photo had even been taken. He was stealthy when he wanted to be, but he could also effortlessly get people to pose and do basically whatever he wanted them to, when he wanted to “make a shot.” Nobody ever turned him down.

This has very little to do with photography, but everything to do with the social aspects of “Photo Strolling” but at one point during the day we’re walking down 5th Ave. and I look up and was shocked to see a Garrett Popcorn Shop (the famous Garrett’s from Chicago; the same one I’ve written about here on the blog, and apparently they’ve opened a 5th Ave. store). I stop and tell Jay about how I found Garrett’s, and I took him inside to get some popcorn. Jay’s not a terribly big popcorn lover, but I dragged him in assuring him this not like any popcorn he had ever had. This was popcorn on a whole ‘nuther level.

I bought him a bag of their Carmel with Cashews, and we stepped out into the street and started munching. Jay just about lost his mind over this popcorn, and for the next 20 minutes, we both put up our cameras and just munched, and laughed and talked. It wasn’t photography, but it sure was fun. Not surprisingly, people who knew Jay would come rushing up to him on the street, “Jay! Jay” and everyone he’d meet he’d tell them—”you gotta try this popcorn!” It kind of became our “thing” for the day, and as soon as I got back home I sent him a two-gallon can of Garrett’s best.

Later in the day, Jay switched to a larger lens (a 70-200mm 2.8 VR), and I was stuck with my 24-70mm, and groused that I didn’t have “The right lens.” It wasn’t an hour or two later, that Jay looked at me and said, “Ya know, I really don’t have the right lens to get the shot I want here.” I just had to smile, happy in the knowledge that “it’s not just me.”

The Saturday I happened to be up there, Jay’s friend Seth Resnick was teaching his D65 seminar in New York, so Jay and I crashed his class and watched him teach Lightroom for a while (Seth’s a terrific teacher, and his workshop looked so great I wish I could have stayed longer). Seth introduced Jay to the class as simply, “God.”

We eventually wound up making our way back to Jay’s studio, where we shared the popcorn story with his lovely wife Linda, and laughed about some of the things we saw, and people we met along the way.

What a day. Although Jay has been teaching for me at Photoshop World for the past few years, this is the first time I’ve really gotten a chance to spend some time with him, and it was even better, more fascinating, and more fun than even I had imagined (in Orlando, my buddy Marvin and I sat in Jay’s “Light, Gesture, and Color Class” and we left just speechless). Jay is amazing. He’s hilarious, he’s lovable, he’s deep, he’s thoughtful, reflective, sharp as a tack, and yet forgetful as anything, and he’s so full of life, and he has so much go give, it just makes you glad there are still guys like Jay out there. Jay’s work makes you shake your head in wonder, and Jay the photographer makes you smile inside and out. Jay is Jay. :)

Thanks Jay, for giving me a very special day I’ll never forget.

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  1. #1

    Scott, that sounds amazing. One can’t help to be jealous!

    Erik Bernskiold on May 19th, 2008 at 2:12 am
  2. #2

    Nice read Scott. He sounds like a great guy to learn from.

    “Slowing Down” as you put it is just what I often find I need to do. It’s easy to start spending so much time thinking about how to find amazing things to soot, that we neglect the simple things that can be just as beautiful

    Seim Effects on May 19th, 2008 at 2:46 am
  3. #3

    Hi Scott…
    It looks that was a good day… :-)
    Hey… may I ask you a favor?
    I am organizing a Photowalk in Fort Lauderdale, Florida ( June 21st or 22nd), here is more information about our Fort Lauderdale Photowalk http://paulopics.com/blog/2008/05/19/photowalk-in-fort-lauderdale-florida/
    Would you help me speadind the word out?
    Thanks

    Paulo Jordao

    Paulo Jordao on May 19th, 2008 at 2:56 am
  4. #4

    garrett’s popcorn is yummy! :) can’t wait to have it when i go back to chicago..

    Mike Lao on May 19th, 2008 at 2:58 am
  5. #5

    Hi Scott,
    I just want to ask you about one thing. When you shoot in the streets people, and you make some great photos you might want to expose somewhere….how you get their permission to expose those photos? If you just stay away from them to not interrupt their interesting position or so…Because I’d love to take pictures of people int he street but I am afraid of it…I would be scold…

    PS: Forgive my mistakes in english:-)
    Bye

    Radomir Inek on May 19th, 2008 at 3:00 am
  6. #6

    Sounds like a wonderful day Scott. I was in New York for the first time over Easter and was just knocked sideways by the place. The atmosphere, the architecture and the people were wonderful. But what struck me was the incredible light during the first few hours of the sun rising. As it bounced around the streets, reflecting from all the high rise glass and mirrors, it produced beautiful pockets of illumination at street level. Little mini studios if you will. I wish I had more time to shoot properly, but the trip was my wifes birthday present, so I was focused on being a good hubby and carrying the designer shopping bags and you know, smiling sweetly! We shall definitely be going back. Thanks for the great post. Would love to see a collection of the shots that you and Jay made.

    Phil on May 19th, 2008 at 3:04 am
  7. #7

    Thanks for sharing your amazing experience. I wish I also had got a chance to walk with him and learn from him.

    To be honest, shooting people on the road is the most hardest thing to me. Why don’t you post some tips and tricks on shooting on the street? Would be really great!

    Thanks!

    Shinaz on May 19th, 2008 at 5:01 am
  8. #8

    Hi Scott,

    I was watching some of your shows on adobe tv yesterday and your blog was mentioned, so i googled it up and read quite a lot of it. I just wanted to drop you an appreciation note, since it’s a great learning resource as well as a great read on what you can do with photography when it’s your profession.

    Greetings from Croatia and keep up the good work.

    Borna

    Borna Cavrag on May 19th, 2008 at 5:35 am
  9. #9

    Scott, sounds like a wonderful day, but I was impressed by the obvious love and the sensitivity with which you described Jay and your time with him. I’ve always seen you as a caring person, but you really impressed me with the way your expressed what was obviously a special time! Thanks for being such a real person, and good example for us all!

    Joe

    Joe Stone on May 19th, 2008 at 8:38 am
  10. #10

    Sound like there is a book in there somewhere.

    Roy

    Roy Evans on May 19th, 2008 at 9:00 am
  11. #11

    Hi Scott,

    As with some of the other posts, How do you shoot people? I, too, and afraid that I will get in trouble. One day a few weeks ago, I took a drive through the Oklahoma country side with no particular place to go. I just wanted to shoot old buildings and stuff. I found myself afraid that some old farmer would come out and shoot me for shooting his dilapidated old farm house.

    Matt’s HDR lessons are excellent.

    Thanks for founding NAPP for all of us sponges who want to soak up knowledge.

    Mike

    Mike on May 19th, 2008 at 9:01 am
  12. #12

    Hi, I’ve known Jay’s work since the late 70’s when a friend took me along to listen to him give a talk in Northern California. Of course he’s taken hundreds of amazing pictures, but I remember doing a double-take when I was putting away my vinyl copy (way back when) of Miles Davis’s ultra-classic album “Kind of Blue” and happened to notice that the cover photo of Miles was shot by Jay Maisel–now THAT impressed me.

    MS on May 19th, 2008 at 9:23 am
  13. #13

    Great story, Scott. I’ve had that popcorn on a trip to Chicago and it was very addicting.

    One question: what small, inconspicuous lens was Jay using?

    julianne on May 19th, 2008 at 9:44 am
  14. #14

    Great Post. It’s always so helpful to get insights into the minds of great photog’s. Thanks for the info!

    Justin Schellenberg on May 19th, 2008 at 10:02 am
  15. #15

    Scott:
    I’m glad you were able to link up with Jay. I had the pleasure of spending ten days with him on the Amazon River in Brazil last year, and a week in Santa Fe at his Light, Gesture, Color and Perception workshop. He is an incredible gentlemen, photographer, historian, and humorist. I count the time I have been able to spend with him as priceless. If any of your readers want to learn about the art of photography as a respite from the manipulation of photography, Jay is the man. I am proud to be one of his many friends.

    David Robertson on May 19th, 2008 at 10:56 am
  16. #16

    Scott/all - I’ve found that my Canon G9 is a wonderful little device for grab shooting. People don’t think it’s a “real” camera, I guess, because it looks like a point-and-shoot AND it doesn’t look like a prog camera. It’s little, isn’t intimidating, and doesn’t have a big lens hood. But it does have a 200mm or so tele so you can get the shot from far away or get in close to frame something. It’s pretty stealthy and has enough pixels to get the shot. It’s been a real difference with the G9 vs. the Canon 20D, especially when I use the 20D with the 70-200mm f2.8l IS lens hanging off my arms! I suspect, then, that any of the higher-end rangerfinder type cameras would do as well….just what Cartier-Bresson and Eisenstat found a few years back .

    Craig Beyers on May 19th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
  17. #17

    Hi Scott: I am not the type of person to send fan mail, so congratulations on being the first person to receive fan mail from me. I have been trying to use my Photoshop CS3 Extended for several months now. I had purchased several books on this subject and have learned a fair bit. However, the pace was slow, the words really wordy and the examples….well examples. A friend of mine lent me his copy of “The 7-Point System” and now our friendship is in jeopardy, because he will get his book back when they pry my cold dead fingers from around it.Seriously, I have already ordered my own copy. :-) The point is (there is a point) your tome has propelled me to great heights (for me) in the world of Digital Photography, suddenly everything makes sense to me and the constant refrains of “Oh” has made my spouse wonder what I am doing on the computer. So from the bottom of my heart Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you! You Rock!
    Seeing the World much clearer now,
    Your newest Fan,
    Dean Fey (Canada)

    Dean Fey on May 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
  18. #18

    I can only echo everyone else’s comments (thanks for sharing about your experience with Jay–what a master!) and requests (please, pretty please, share a bit more about how to shoot in the city while being unobtrusive)! Whenever I try to do this, be creative and stealthy, it seems a homing beacon is activated on the top of my head and people I’d been quietly observing and about to capture suddenly notice me and I lose the shot. Oh, the disappointment of a lost shot!

    Kellyry on May 19th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
  19. #19

    Scott:

    Great review as always. Seems you had an excellent day.Thanks for sharing.
    As some other mentioned before are there any helpful tips and tricks on shooting on the street?
    It sounds always so easy but mostly I am “scared”or feel uncomfortable of shooting people on the street. And what´s the thing with the permission ? Can you use such “street photographies” without the knowledge oh those people.

    Tobias S on May 19th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
  20. #20

    Great reporting of your day with Jay. Can you post any of Jay’s (or your) shots on that day?

    Mike Meyer on May 19th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
  21. #21

    Love your blog Scott, Highlight of my mornings. Thank you for your time and devotion.
    You rock
    ks

    Keith Shriner on May 19th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
  22. #22

    What a great thing! I’ve always believed that there is no way to better learn than being in the shadow of a giant…

    Carlo M on May 20th, 2008 at 4:13 am
  23. #23

    Scott-

    Thanks for that wonderful post — it made my morning. Relatively few people will get the chance to have a day like that with a living legend. But many people will be able to claim a small piece of what you came away with from your writing.

    -David Hobby

    David Hobby on May 20th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
  24. #24

    Hi Scott,
    Wonderful post! Would you please do another post that identifies the “small inconspicuous” lens and more of the tips you learned from this wonderful photographer!

    Thanks.

    Kiva on May 20th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
  25. #25

    what happen to photo three? looks like it was a cut job from another one and you tryed to blend the two togeather.
    you can see the difference and the line running down the left side of Jays face

    James on May 20th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
  26. #26

    Wow, Scott, I wish there was a way for Jay to make a tutorial video of his street photography approach. I like street photography, but I feel very reluctant to photograph people on the street. I’ve tried it a few times, but I always feel that I’m intruding upon their space.

    Bakari on May 20th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
  27. #27

    SOOOO Jealous….

    Jerome Braga on May 21st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
  28. #28

    Add me to the list of people who want to know more, learn more, etc about this day with Jay. I also promise to buy the book when it comes out…

    Scotty on May 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 am
  29. #29

    I attended the first Eddie Adams workshop. One night Gregory Heisler was showing slides and telling stories to a room full of students. I think it went until 4 am. When the lights came up I noticed that Jay Maisel had been there the entire time, laying on the floor soaking it all up along with the students.

    jim on May 24th, 2008 at 12:26 am

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