It’s Guest Blog Wednesday Featuring: Photoshop Senior Product Manager, John Nack
A couple of weeks ago Scott proposed a simple, seductive idea: Why doesn’t Adobe simply let users tell us what they want, then pick the top X features from their list & agree to implement them? Seems like the most obvious thing in the world, doesn’t it?
“The customer is always right”–right? And yet I’m reminded of a pair of quotations:
- “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been.” – Wayne Gretzky
- “If I had asked my customers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse.” – Henry Ford
Democracy, in product development, is not a recipe for innovation. (Think the original iMac & its missing floppy drive were the product of democracy?) Groupthink produces evolution, not revolution. It may well be a recipe for customer satisfaction, at least to some degree, and we don’t discount it. But it’s not enough.
If you’re using Photoshop every day for work, you’re likely concerned with getting the next job done & putting bread on the table. You know the handful of changes you’d like to see made & why they’d make a difference. That’s cool, and we care–a lot. But you’re probably much less concerned with pondering the program in the abstract, thinking about how all the pieces connect & how it could be made holistically better.
That’s where we come in. My job is to talk to people from across the insanely diverse range of those who use Photoshop–and some who don’t, but who we think should–and to figure out the “next next” thing.
Let me give you an example from Photoshop’s history. It’s hard to imagine now, but for many years Photoshop supported only a single level of undo. Customers rightly clamored for multiple undos. They didn’t ask, however, for the History palette, much less the History Brush, snapshots, and related other features. It’s possible that the PS team (of which I wasn’t a part until later) could have delivered a simple, straightforward multiple undo system sooner than they did. By looking beyond the immediate requests however–by really thinking about what we needed, not just requested–they were able to deliver real breakthroughs that remain unmatched more than 10 years later.
Simply doing what your customers say carries significant risks. For one thing, it tends to paint you into a corner: you add ever-tweakier refinements for the same vocal group, neglecting the customers you don’t have (but whom you need in order to grow). For another, what customers say they want and what they actually need often differ. James Surowiecki nails it: “The strange truth about feature creep is that even when you give consumers what they want they can still end up hating you for it.”
Our job is to strike a balance, offering a mix of sizzle (”Oh my God,” only-in-Photoshop breakthroughs) and steak (sigh-of-relief, block-and-tackle stuff) while working like hell to enable the “next next” things.
It’s frustrating that laying plumbing for the future often takes a number of years during which progress isn’t visible. In the meantime we’re vulnerable to the perception that “Adobe just doesn’t get it; see, they haven’t touched filter X in ages…” It’s of course not obvious that we’re toiling away behind the scenes, working on, say, a fast-as-hell filter mechanism, or on changes that will make Photoshop massively more configurable and task-based over time. These things take a while. (I’m reminded of the line, “It might look like I’m doing nothing, but at the cellular level, I’m really quite busy.”)
If we didn’t invest for the future, however–if we just did what people request–we’d shortchange customers in the long run. It’s worth withholding short-term fixes in order to deliver what we know people really want and need, albeit sometimes a little later.
Now, turning to the Top 10 list of requested features that Scott posted on Monday, I’ll toss out a few thoughts:
- Points 2 & 4 (both requesting filters as adjustment layers) are seductive, but very tricky. When the CS3 public beta launched, I wrote up a detailed piece called The Secret Life of Smart Filters, in which I explain why we specifically didn’t implement what people say they want–namely, filters as adjustment layers. Short story: We try not to put big “Hurt Me” buttons into Photoshop. Read my post for more background.
- Point 8 says, “Make everything ‘Smart’ by default.” Ah–another one where many devils are in the details. Kill a few brain cells reading my discussion of Simplicity vs. Power to learn about the challenges of non-destructiveness in Photoshop. In any case, though, point taken: it’s important to make “best practices” the norm, and for that we have to grind away the remaining rough edges. This is far from an overnight change, but we are working on it.
- It’s interesting that faster performance didn’t rate higher on the list. On the one hand, I’d like to take this as a good sign that our work in CS3 to speed up Photoshop’s launch time, take advantage of multi-core systems, etc. has paid off & that people are happy. On the other, there’s no such thing as “too fast,” and quicker performance is the best possible feature: there’s nothing to learn. Therefore I think all the muscle we’re pouring into R&D to leverage graphics hardware acceleration & 64-bit computing will make folks happy.
- Much to my eternal frustration (and probably yours), we’ll never have enough time to implement even 10% of the good ideas that come our way. That’s why I’ve championed extensibility: let’s make it radically easier to customize & build upon Photoshop. I got an earful when I talked about using Flash to extend the Photoshop UI, but that’s because people haven’t seen what it’ll enable. (I can at least tell you that Scott likes what’s planned–a lot.) I have a lot of faith that if we make it ridiculously easy to tune the application and share one’s work, we’ll unleash a new wave of innovators. Let the Photoshop Nation rock out.
- Matt Kloskowski made a number of good suggestions, but I have to push back on two things. One, I think translucent interface elements generally suck: they make it harder to see both what you’re adjusting and the controls for adjusting it. (Remember the hard-to-read menus in early OS X, the maligned translucent menu bar in Leopard, or the pointlessly blurry window borders in Vista?) Note that this is different from offering in-context, on-canvas adjustment tools. Two, the answer to old & suckful dialog boxes isn’t “make the dialogs better.” Rather, it’s “kill the dialogs.” Photoshop should do more things non-modally, previewing right on the canvas, more as they’re done in Camera Raw, Lightroom, and After Effects.
I’ve rambled on long enough, I think, but I hope I’ve provided at least a little useful perspective. Thanks for all the suggestions, and to Scott & co. for organizing the survey and giving me a chance to post here. It’s an honor, a battle, and a pleasure to wrestle with the challenges of trying to make Photoshop into just what you want and need.
Thanks for listening,
J.
PS–Oh, and by the way, lest I forget: yes, we’re changing the default stroke color to black. Just thought you’d want to know.


















Thanks so much for you blog (and insider perspective,) it’s good to be able to see the other side of the story. Of course, you can’t blame a person for dreaming!
What a great response to everyone’s wish list.
Thanks for providing the insight.
…and thanks for changing the default stroke color!
Darn, I thought I would be the first commentor on today’s post!
Great post! Even as a casual Photoshop user whose main wishlist is that I knew how to use it better and how to be more creative it’s great to hear from the source these thoughts.
John,
I’m an avid reader of both your and Scott’s blog. You’re both a wealth of knowledge and inspiration, but I have to tell you….
THAT might be the best blog post I’ve ever read.
Thanks for the “other side.”
John, maybe you can answer my question.
I want a script that will clear my “recent documents” list when I close Photoshop CS3. I have contacted several people. I am assuming this can’t be done cause no body has gotten back to me.
I use a notebook on a server at my office and when I get home and start photoshop I have to wait until the connections time out (it is looking for the files on the servers that are no longer connected and it takes at least 2-3min) or delete my preferences file… I don’t like doing this because I have several setting that I don’t like have to go back and reset on a daily basis. I see this as a big flaw in Photoshop and hope it and the other network related issues are cleared up in the next edition.
email me at brianfaini@gmail.com
Thanks for your great blog entry.. As a software dev myself I know how tough it is to satisfy the current requirements and at the same time make it easy to add features in the future.. It’s always a battle between the easy quick fix now and the right way to do things. You guys are doing a great job with PS keep up the great work!
I have to say that this one of the most well-written “customer responses” I’v ever read. I’ve always been amazed at, and sometimes intimidated by, Photoshop. It is a truly remarkable app. And, if this is the caliber of thinking going into PS and the rest of the Adobe apps, the future is indeed bright!
But…but…I liked the red stroke default!! How dare Adobe take that away from me!!
No, in all seriousness, thanks for a thorough, insightful article. I can’t wait to see what y’all have in store for us.
Thanks for the insight! (And to Scott for providing both the suggestions and the medium to discuss them.)
I’m a software / web developer and understand that not all requests are good ones – usually for some under-the-hood reason or because it would change the user experience in an unintended way. That being said – thanks for changing the stroke color. That’s 3 clicks I can do without. (Though Matt’s idea to enable user defaults on those windows makes a whole lot of sense!)
Bravo Jack with a Nack,
Fast is faster…..go on and rock on with more speed…that’s me. I have the patience of a chipmunk.
With all that you said…….wow I love speed….It’s like this, I got the monkey off my back, but I got the circus in my head…..so keep it simple….to a guy (me) who can complicate a strait pin.
Ken from KY
Hey John…you rock:
Thumbs up on the response. Great entry. I really hope the Flash implementation you talked about happens soon. How cool would it be to be able to use action script to tweak some of Photoshop’s stuff.
Software engineers around the world rejoice! You nailed the topic right on the head. Great post!
But please… make the stroke color default configurable!
Thanks for the behind the scenes insight.
It’s a testament to the Engineers at Adobe that so many people have the confidence that they can make the implementation of some difficult technology seem so simple to pull off.
YES!!!
What a great post! I can’t tell you how often I get frustrated with people who don’t understand that creatives and thought leaders drive the consumer, not the other way around. Love the Henry Ford quote.
John,
First off, I’m a big fan of your blog and suggest that all of Scott’s readers subscribe!
All right! Black default stroke. I’d prefer that there be a complete defaults edit pallet but that’s just throwing another twig on the features request bonfire.
I did want to point out something that you didn’t mention. “Smart Objects†are just about the coolest thing in Photoshop since layers. The truth is that once an object is “Smart†you’ve answered people’s request on items 2 & 4. People who want items 2 & 4 need to experiment more with “Smart Objectsâ€. I’ve heard several times the when Microsoft researched users feature requests for Word most of the responses are for features already in the program.
So if you can do point 8, “Make everything ‘Smart’ by default.†And have the ability to paint/edit without opening a sub .psb document. Well then you’ve nailed it. The best part is your comment … “This is far from an overnight change, but we are working on it.†Wow, exciting news indeed. Can I say Photoshop CS5 when all the Photoshop world will be in harmony in a 64 bit universe?
What a way to round up a great discussion. It’s good to know the PS team really does have our wishes in mind. But, you still gotta keep it real. I have no clue about programming so your blog was informative and it made sense at the same time. Thanks much for the insight!
Hey John:
Now that was a great way to start the morning. It really is a wonderful to see that someone can come out here and start the dialog on changes. Anyone who’s worked on software development (myself included) knows how much forward thinking can get pitted against the fix right in front of you. A battle between what we see and frankly – what we don’t see.
What we don’t see can also exist on the consumer side though – and that’s where I am stuck. Here’s a good example. You mentioned that “customers clamored for multiple undos”. Through that, the PS team gave us the History Brush, History Palatte, and Snapshots – which I agree, are powerful. However, as a teacher out on the field, I’ve stopped counting how many beginners (and surprisingly even people who’ve used PS for years) still don’t know that Photoshop -does- have multiple undo. Pressing Control-Z doesn’t do what they – expect- it to do. In that, the feature isn’t “discoverable” – and most beginners don’t realize it.
It’s almost as if it was ‘overfixed’ (if that’s even a word) and now its a feature that has gone overlooked for that entire time. We know it can be done – other Adobe apps are doing it now..
Obviously this is my own opinion, and easy to rail at because you weren’t in the Photoshop Team yet.. but it’s these kinds of “near” problems that, if considered, could go a long way with your users.
I cant wait to see what the PS future brings.. and as always – big fan of your blog. Keep it coming!
RC
John,
When I read this I screamed “Bingo”. I’ve been doing product development in the wireless semiconductor space for years and if I developed a product solely on what a customer requested today, I would by definition get a two-year old product upon completion and my competitors would have eaten me alive!!!!
Great Post!
MikeV
Innovation in fine, it is even great. But, when a company ignores its customers to go off and do whatever they want then don’t be surprised when customers don’t bother to upgrade.
Scott’s idea of 10 top user requested features is fair and it gives Adobe and oppertunity to fix features that Adobe “innovated” but didn’t get right or didn’t finish or didn’t flesh out and make they actually fully usable features.
There are a great number of things that Adobe has “innovated” in Photoshop that are weak that are majorly important to the program being the basic thing that it is and that is a photo editor.
If Adobe can’t be bothered to go a fix or add things that user’s want then I am not sure user’s should be bothering to give Adobe any more money. It isn’t like Scott’s idea which is a very good one is saying you add the top 10 user requested features only. You can add what you want you but really need to fix and add things that user’s want. If you don’t sell upgrades Adobe is out of business and all of the “innovation” in the world isn’t going to help you especially if you keep in adding “innovation” that is only half backed. “Innovations” like HDR that is still far behind what is available from other sources. Little interface issues that makes Photoshop look unprofessional like the poor and inconsistent interfaces for the plug-ins or worse yet a noise reduction filter that is like boobs on a bore, worthless.
No from the sounds if it Adobe what’s do whatever in the heck they want and then expect us to pay for it. I for one am tired of paying for half baked implementations of “innovation” especially when Adobe can’t get the basics right. This reminds me of a saying about Baskin-Robbins, why make 31 flavors when you can’t get vanilla right. Why “innovate” when you can get the basics right. Adobe need to work on all aspects not just the cutesy “innovations”.
John
OK, I get it. I always known that software companies have to beinnovative and think years ahead of their customers, and I agree withHenry Ford’s quote; if Ford had listened to their customers, we’d havea faster horse.
But most of the people responding here seem to be missing one point,and that is that we’re not asking Adobe to do ONLY what the customerswant, and we’re not asking that the software be designed strictly bydemocratic vote.
What we are asking for is for Adobe to keep innovating and coming upwith features we would have never thought of, but at the same timegive us 5 or 10 of whatever of the most requested things or fixesthat we want.
Why does it have to be one or the other?
We voted on the features we wanted to have. John came back andessentially said ‘No, it would kill our innovation.’ You threw us abone and changed the stroke color to black. What innovation did thatkill?
This is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. It didn’t stopyou from adding anything you want, and it didn’t stifle innovation inany way, but it gave us something we want. What’s wrong with that?
Hi John,
I am glad you’ve said that … personally I am not a great fan of Adobe listening to customers – mainly cause lot of them simply doesn’t know Photoshop ( I am not saying I do) and they ask for features that are all ready in there.
I was always thrilled when new version was announced and waiting for a new one like a kiddo for Christmas.
“Give me proper tools and I’ll lift a Titanic for you”…
Heck, I’ll take the stroke default change.
That minor change will save me some time in long run, and anything that saves me time is a plus.
I think companies like Adobe listen to customers all the time, it’s silly to assume otherwise – they have to in order to make a product that people want to buy and upgrade.
The problem I have is this notion that we consumers will make a top 10 list and they MUST implement these in the next release. That is unrealistic for the reasons John Nack indicated in his piece. Of course Adobe wants to please their customers, but to ‘FORCE’ them to implement these 10 things I think is ridiculous… some are just not feasible, some take more time than one release (especially those that require some deep fundamental changes), some requests don’t dig down to the root problem (which is what should be addressed, and hence provide a broader solution), etc etc.
I think there’s a place for letting our top-10 requests known to Adobe, but don’t assume/expect they will all be in the next (or any) release. Instead, trust Adobe that they will do the best they can. Do you have reason not to trust them? Hasn’t Adobe delivered amazing software in the past? Why wouldn’t you expect the next release be downright awesome?
Of course I’m coming at this from a software developer’s perspective, since I am one too, and this is the kind of thing all software companies have to struggle with.
Thanks for the post, John! I DO put more faith in Adobe’s ability to envision my future working needs than my own. As you said, I’m just trying to put bread on the table today. Thanks for continuing to work on my workflow of tomorrow. And thanks for changing the default stroke color!
John… tell us how you really feel about translucent interface elements….
Interesting post, Adobe has always been great with its products (been using Photoshop since 1999) and I was a loyal Macromedia user and it has been awesome to see Adobe take them to the next level. In Adobe I trust and if not everyone will keep you straight with plenty of feedback
Thanks for sharing!
“Why does it have to be one or the other?”
The point of this blog post is so much more than “customer needs vs product innovation.” He touched on ideas that point out, hey maybe we don’t really want what we say we want. And also the idea that sure, Adobe could give us a quick fix now for some things (faster horse), but an innovation might render that idea obsolete (not fix modal dialogs, but get rid of it altogether). Giving us the quick fix is a waste of resources when something better is coming.
Now, if I could fault this post, it would be that it might portray Adobe as having the position, “We’re busy doing our own thing. We don’t have time to listen to what you’re saying.” Assuming a customer request does fit within the vision that Adobe has of where Photoshop is headed, and it truly is a reasonably Good Idea, the last hurdle is probably the concept of limited resources.
I’m sure it comes down to the complexity of what we’re asking for. Developing software takes time, not just in the software engineering aspect, but also in the research department.
Changing the default stroke color is trivial. But making filters work as adjustment layers simply won’t work without re-thinking the way the filter engine works. Adjustment layers make changes on a per-pixel basis, whereas filters apply changes for a pixel based on its neighboring pixels also. Which is why filters take much longer to be applied (waiting a few MINUTES for radial blur on high quality versus a near instantaneous change for adjustment layers). No thanks, I don’t want to have to wait a few minutes every time I modify a layer under that adjustment layer.. UNLESS there is some break through innovation to make that work.
Now, from John’s post, it does look like they’re looking into ways that GPUs can be used to radically speed up filters. But the point is, it’s a change request that requires a non-trivial amount of resources. A lot of what they do is cutting edge and it’s not always that there’s some research paper out there that magically solves the issues at hand and gives them a nice blue print to follow, and voila, the feature is implemented in Photoshop.
Before you get me wrong, I do believe that Adobe SHOULD devote resources to customer requests if the trade off in committed resources and user benefit is worth it. But if every resource was devoted to satisfying customer needs, that leaves no resouce for innovation.
So instead of reading the post as a “Thanks, but no thanks,” I think John is actually saying “These are some great ideas, and we’ll see what we can do. But if some of these things don’t make their way into CS4, let me explain why that might be.”
“Spoken Like a true Adobe engineer *wink wink*”
I think it was very interesting to read your reply, and every point seemed well thought out and on the mark. It is true that the “next next†was not on the top 10 list, and it is that feature, what ever it may be, that is going to sell more copies of PS, not the small changes listed here.
The changes listed are not going to make people leave PS for something else; most users I know are already sold at “hello†with the software.
I think its been suggested that most people posting on this blog are into photography, so maybe the focal point should be rather on how to make LR more like PS so that as photographers we are less dependant on PS to do what we can not do in LR.
Good luck on the next next, I am sure it will be cool.
While I appreciate John Nack’s post on why Adobe shouldn’t allow democratic process determine product development, I think that the response comes from the position of an oligarch.
In the world of digital imaging Adobe has near monopolistic control. While there are token products available that do provide some similar functionality, there are no serious competitors in any of the categories which Adobe dominates. They can afford to take the “we know better than you” attitude because there isn’t anyone out there that offers a product which is even remotely competitive.
What is the biggest threat that Adobe faces, that current users won’t upgrade? Well with their current pricing structure, each new license that they sell is worth four to six times that of an upgrade. Of course Adobe’s main priority is going to be attracting new users, while throwing its current user community just enough bones to be tempted to upgrade.
An even worse practice in my mind which Adobe conducts comes with orphaning Camera Raw when new versions of the Photoshop come out. You haven’t upgraded from CS2 and Camera Raw 3.0 and you just bought a 40D or D300, well guess what, you just locked yourself into an upgrade to CS3, because Adobe doesn’t make Camera Raw upgrades for those cameras to Camera Raw 3.0 or CS2. They will say that it is technically too difficult and the advancements that they have made are no longer compatible and they will argue that they provide you with the workaround of using their DNG converter to convert the file to DNG, but do you really feel that you should have to jump through that hoop in order to not have to upgrade. And why can’t they go back an support incremental upgrades to older versions of Camera Raw? Maybe because they don’t have to? Great loyalty to your customers there Adobe.
It really is annoying when an IT developer or project manager sits there and says they know better than the users what is best for the users. It is an arrogance that I have found pervasive in my dealings with developers and project managers in general. And if they are in the position of an Adobe or a Microsoft, and they don’t really have legitimate competition, then they are going to continue to get away with it.
Sorry for the rant, because on the whole I really like John and appreciate the amount of personal time and effort he puts into providing interesting information on his blog.
Joel Spolsky made this recommendation yesterday:
**Don’t hide or disable menu items**
A long time ago, it became fashionable, even recommended, to disable menu items when they could not be used. *Don’t do this* Users see the disabled menu item that they want to click on, and are left entirely without a clue of what they are supposed to do to get the menu item to work. Instead, leave the menu item enabled. If there’s some reason you can’t complete the action, the menu item can display a message telling the user why…
Or, offer automated assistance to get to the point of enabling the feature.
I *wish* Photoshop would adopt this concept. It is SO annoying to know what feature you want, but to be in a mode that renders it impossible… and then, being a novice, wonder how on earth to enable it!!!
Everybody seems to want everything yesterday,7 months ago I switched from dial up to Hi=speed 6.0 WOW, now it seems ,like it takes forever, Take life one day at a time my friend and do the best you got with what you got, Slow down and enjoy life before you have no life.
Thanks John, interesting read, some good quotes and links as well.
I have recently had experience where what a Client had told us they wanted for the last three years – and where we have invested our resources – turns out to be different from what they want now. We really should have seen it coming – what they were asking for is not what was best for them…….
I’m not sure we would have retained them if we had not moved in the direction they were pushing however. It is a difficult conundrum indeed.
I don’t use anything other than Acrobat professionally, however I am a keen photographer and use CS2 and Lightroom almost every day in a hobbyist capacity. I hope you can strike the right balance Keep up the good work – I am looking forward to CS4/Lightroom2.
Best Regards,
Richard
John et al… I posted this response in one of the previous wishlist discussions. I feel it might have more relevance here, so behold the simple cut and paste job below… It amplifies the unlimited undo conundrum that occurs in responding to feature requests in a literal fashion.
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Scott, it’s really great to see how your idea has gotten the Photoshop user community jazzed; thanks for doing that!
As a veteran (aka “oldâ€) product manager, with intimate knowledge of how features get into software products – including the one in question – allow me to offer up a humble suggestion regarding feature requests:
Don’t define the implementation of the feature in the request; just tell them the problem you want to solve.
Example of the right way to ask:
“I want to be able to easily frame and crop my photos using one of the established principles of good composition, i.e. the rule-of-thirds or the golden-rectangle.â€
This puts the onus on the professional interaction designers, product managers and engineers to come up with the most elegant solution to your problem.
In the above example, sure, it might be good enough for them to give you a grid in the cropping tool, but with the suggestion above, you might ALSO get image analysis capability that gives you a starting point and places the focal point of the image under one of the grid intersections automatically.
Let’s move the example to another realm, and see if it resonates better…
Bad idea:
Doctor, I would like you to reconstruct my anterior cruciate ligament using the allograft technique.
Better idea:
Doctor, it hurts when I fully extend my knee and place weight on it and when I move laterally; I’d like you to make it not hurt and give me a more stable knee.
If you keep this technique of feature requests in mind as you build your list, I’m pretty confident you will end up with better and more innovative features.
Thanks!
Great to see comments from both the supplier and users. I use CS3 4-8 hours a week and am still on the steep slope of the learning curve.
Any improvements are welcome, I use Viveza and NIK dfine2.0 because these are areas I feel could use improvement in CS3.
Basically, I am just really happy that my fingers don’t smell like fixer anymore.
I think Kevin’s got the right idea.
Default stroke color = Black!
Yes! As far as I’m concerned, that alone justifies this whole blog dialogue! Power to the Photoshoppers!
Thanks for taking the time to explain a few things.
I have to second some opinions voiced in the comments, though. It is somewhat arrogant to say we can’t listen to the users or we wouldn’t innovate. You have to do both. Fix the little things, like adding something like the “set as default” button to the layer effects dialog. There are tons of little things in Photoshop, that aren’t there since yesterday but have been there before CS3 and have gone unattended.
Get the basics right and then put your innovations in. I understand that that’s hard to do for a marketing-driven application, though. Still, for me as a regular user that’s how I want it.
When I switched from the CS3 Beta to the final version I immediately noticed a loss of performance when moving lots of layers at the same time. Since it was much quicker in the Beta, I contacted Adobe and sure enough an adobe employee verified that it’s a bug they are looking into and asked me to send an example file, which I did. That was it though, i never heard from the employee again and I haven’t noticed any updates that made the layer moving faster again (though I may have missed it since the difference is mainly noticable if you used the same document with the beta and the final version, which I haven’t for a while). I guess it’ll be in CS4 – with luck. That’s not a nice customer contact.
A fair price compared with the US version or the chance to buy the US version on line would be the feature I’d like most. It becomes a bit difficult to justify committing to Adobe formats like DNG when Adobe has such a track record of increasing prices for non-US customers. Especially when the version we buy is EXACTLY the same as the US version i.e. not localised.
There are 2 sides of the medal. Contemporary marketing equals “cool new features”, and “many new features”. R&D resources are all directed to deliver many cool new features. The same time the motto of contemporary business is “cost saving”. These things together result quite often lower quality and “holes” or “bags” or other unpleasant things that didn’t deserve attention because they were not “cool” nor “new”.
I didn’t say that specifically about Photoshop, but what I hear from John instantly rings the bell for me. Majority of requests Scott’s poll were to make existing photoshop a better and more convenient tool. The response is, however, “don’t worry about that, we know that we will bring you something cool”.
So many people hate Microsoft just because Microsoft thinks it always knows better what users need than the users themselves.
I still hope Adobe will listen to it’s users and that innovation will not take all the place of improvement of existing features.
P.S. And I second the comment from Kevin – our feature requests better to be re-phrased. If they are made as more general problem statements it will probably help to get Adobe more attentive.
Work on the Carbon-Cocoa Conversion on Mac, before adding NEW features. It will be Easier to add new features as well.
“So many people hate Microsoft just because Microsoft thinks it always knows better what users need than the users themselves.”
I’d say exactly the same about Apple, in fact Apple is even more nannying and restrictive, exemplified by the the one size fits all approach of their products. ‘Think Different’ ..[as long as it's exactly the way we do].
I use both OSs and by choice, before fanboys take a pop.
I simply can’t understand how someone could read this article and come back saying Adobe doesn’t listen to users. It boggles the mind how people can miss the whole point of what’s begin said.
You can’t make everyone happy for sure. Such discussions are certainly an illustration of that, regardless of the other points made.
I like the direction Adobe is going with Photoshop. Not so sure about Acrobat 9 and AIR and some other technologies. As long as Photoshop remains solid, fast and without peer, my #1 tool at work will keep me happy.
hey Kelby
thanks for everything you do for the creative community and i simply can`t thank you enough for the tremendous work you provide for us being Adobe and or Photoshop end users
let me point out that i like what Adobe is trying to pull off here, that`s really some awesome stuff, good luck Adobe and thank you very much Kelby.
We have new found strengths and reasons to face the task with optimism and have discovered that there are more things we want to learn together, for the youth and for ourselves. ,
Wonderful illustrated information. I thank you about that. No doubt it will be very useful for my future projects. Would like to see some other posts on the same subject!