Jack and Ed Answer More of Your ‘Copyright for Photographers’ Questions

Hi, Jack and Ed here. Seeing that there were a bunch of questions and comments from our Photoshop TV interviews in the last two weeks, we both thought we’d answer and clarify some of questions and comments. We’ll be going into more depth to some of these questions in our two Photoshop World sessions in Las Vegas. And we’ll also answer some in our upcoming column in PhotoshopUser Magazine.
As far as the paper VA form, it is being phased out. Bummer. It’s easier than the online registration, in Jack’s opinion. If you have any VA short forms you can still use them or you can still request them to be mailed to you from the copyright office. Jack keeps a blank VA PDF form on his computer. But you can no longer download the VA form from the Copyright Office site (www.copyright.gov). The Copyright office will still process VA forms, but the Copyright Office is no longer making the VA forms easily available in an effort to encourage online filing.
The eCO (Electronic Copyright Office) system, as the Copyright Office calls their online registration system, is improved and better than the first beta version used. But there is still have a problem with the number of files you can register if you are registering a very large number of files, as Jack usually does. Recently he registered 3,093 small compression JPEG files, that are compressed even more into a zip file, and they still total about 158mb. Jack’s upload rate and their pipe in, was going to take 39 minutes according to the timer. There is a time limit of 30 minutes, not a size limit, but a time limit to your uploads. So after 30 minutes, the upload will time out. But what you can do is fill out all the info on the electronic form, make the payment of $35, and then printout a mailing sheet and mail in your images on a CD, along with a printout of the filenames.
The effective date of your registration will be the date they receive your CD, which the Copyright Office calls the “deposit.†If you do mail in a CD, get a delivery confirmation or return receipt to confirm the date they received your image deposit. Again, that’s the effective date of your registration, not the date they process it. But if you can upload your deposit within the 30 minutes, it does make it a lot easier. Make sure you have in your possession a copy and record of exactly what images you registered with which registration. As a teaser, in our Photoshop World session we’ll go over why and when you might want to “pre-register†a copyright.
As far as printing the file names, Jack uses a freeware program called PrintWindow for Mac. The standard version is free and the advanced version is $20. Great program. You can find it at http://www.searchwaresolutions.com/ . Windows users should already have that ability to print file names in a folder.
With PrintWindow, just set the preferences, and drag and drop the folder of files on their icon. Jack sets it up to print 3 columns to a page with no icons. If you set it to only one column per page, you end up wasting a lot of extra paper and ink.
A great question asked was about “name collision†with the deposited images being registered, meaning duplicate file names because your camera counter went past 999 and started at 001 again and you’re registering more than a thousand images from that shoot. Is there a problem with the files not being “uniquely namedâ€? Yup, that’s a problem. The files in a registration are required to be uniquely named. Personally, because it’s so easy to batch rename files in Bridge or Lightroom, Jack renames all his images. Ed would rather see something that identifies the files a bit, in case you had to dig up a single file in litigation. Like “Italy_01.jpg, Italy_02.jpgâ€, and so on. Or since the photographer asking is a wedding photographer, it would be good to have the wedding party’s name in the file name like “JonesWed_01.jpg, JonesWed_02.jpgâ€, and so on. It’s a lot harder looking through lists of files named _K7M943_01.jpg. As Ed says the easier it is to ID the images in question, it will likely cost you less in lawyer fees and it makes it easier to prove that the image in question was actually part of the registration collection. Duplicate names may muddy the water.
Another really good question that always comes up in our lectures is the question, ‘is it better to register the original capture or the post processed file? What if you increase the color saturation, contrast, crop the file, make it black and white, and so on?’ Jack registers all his files as basically captured, with minimal work, like exposure correction in Lightroom’s Quick Develop. The variations of the original are protected with what is known as the right of derivatives. You own the copyright to derivatives of your image. But as Ed likes to point out, if you really work a file a lot a, it falls under the Jewish Mother’s Law of “It couldn’t hurt.†There is no penalty for registering the original capture and a greatly manipulated file. While not required, we’d encourage it. This way you’re doubly covered. Like making a backup copy of a really great image.
Lastly, the 90-day grace period. As Jack loves to point out to lawyers, the statue states three-months not 90 days. Jack is right and those who say 90 days are technically wrong. The 3 months are computed as birthdays are, irrespective of the number of days in any given months. So in plain English, if the date of publication is Feb 10th the three-month window ends on May 10th regardless of the number of calendar days. The phrase 90 days has gained usage because if the registration is made within the 90 days it’s always within the three-month window. So it is always safe to say 90 days. Also importantly, the three-month window does not pertain to all images. It is only for published images. Ed points out that many times, if your image is infringed, the infringement is likely the first publication or use of that image. So it is good practice to register immediately, don’t wait to get a friend’s advice on what to do. Time is of the essence. Register. Like they used to say about voting in Chicago, register your work early and often.
–Ed Greenberg and Jack Reznicki












Would it be kosher for Scott or NAPP or someone to post a downloadable pdf of short form VA? Could it hoit?
although a bit off topic, how the heck to you print a list of files in a folder in windows? I’ve tried to do that for years, but never figured out how to do it…
Seems to be one available here in PDF (or am I wrong?):
http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/iipbk03/supp/formva.pdf
Ron,
On a Mac you can use Print Window App. You can find it here:
http://www.searchwaresolutions.com/
-S
Here is a link that I found to the short form version of the VA that they were talking about.
http://www.gophotography.net/tips/copyright.html
Jeff
Just wanted to say thanks to Ed, Jack and Scott for making this information available to us (and not at $200 buck an hour :).
I have an administrative question. When you put a Copyright Notice in your metadata or on the watermark, what date are you supposed to put down? Is it the year the file was created or the year it was registered?
Example: Say I took a photograph in 2005, but only get around to registering it this year, do I put © 2005 (the original creation date) or © 2008 (the registration date), or does it not matter?
Also, while we are on the subject, what is the correct format to use for a Copyright Notice?
Thanks to Ed and Jack and Scott
If you google the short form VA copyright you can find several links to the form. Here is one:
http://www.lawgal.net/VAs.pdf
This has the instruction form as well. I would also note that a search will pull up a filled out form and instructions by Peter Krogh, who also has a tutorial on filing on the net.
No word on when they will stop taking paper, but this is a solution for now.
Bill
Ron-
Open a command prompt, change to the directory containing you file, execute the following command:
DIR /B > FileList.txt
This will create a text file named FileList with a complete listing of all files in the directory. Print it, file it away or do what ever you like with it.
This list will have just the file names and extensions. If you want all the information like date stamps, file size, etc., just omit the /B above. This does require a little knowledge of the command line, but it’s very easy to use and, best of all, it’s free.
I was in the middle of typing this when Darrin posted. This is basically the same thing with a little more detail about the options.
I’m not familiar with any Mac OS so I’m not sure if something like this is possible there but in Windows I’ve always done the following…
Start|Run
In the Open text box enter “CMD” and click the OK button
This will open a command window. From the command window, you can list all the files in a folder. Enter the following command and press the enter key to execute it.
dir /B /A-D c:\temp\*
dir = the directory command
/B = bare format (doesn’t show file size, date, etc)
/A-D = excludes showing directories in a way that they can look like files
c:\temp\ = the folder you want to start from
* = a wild card mask that’s used to filter which files go into the text file. * is a wild card. * will yield all files (similar to *.*). *.jpg or *. will include files that have that particular extension. In the *.jpg example that would include all JPEG files in the folder.
If you want to include sub-folders, you can add /S to the command so it looks like this…
dir /S /B /A-D c:\temp\*
Everything else means the same thing.
NOTE: If you include the /S swith, the filename will be prefixed with it’s path.
When you execute this command, it will display the results to your screen. If you want to save it to a file, you can add a little more to the command that will redirect what’s written to the screen to a file instead. Here’s an exampls…
dir /S /B /A-D c:\temp\* > C:\files.txt
> = redirect the output to whatever follows
C:\files.txt = the output destination (generally this is a file but technically this could be something else). You should adjust the path and filename to something that’s appropriate for you and your system. I would make it a txt extension though since it is indeed a text file.
Generally I open this text file in Word and do my formatting and layout there (multple columns, etc).
–Wade
With regard to the windows directory listing, I use the attrib (attribute) command. It lists all the files with full paths, but no other info (date, size, etc). Here’s the command:
attrib *.* /s
This will list all files in the current directory and all subdirectories from that point down. As the others have suggested, you can redirect the output to a file instead of a screen. Don’t forget to take a look at it to make sure it is OK before sending it with the registration. Here’s the full command:
attrib *.* /s > C:\pictures.txt
Good stuff guys, Thanks… Gavin
SeimEffects.com
ProPhotoShow.net
Thanks for this great information about the copywrite process.
Please let us know what is the exact address one should send the cd or dvd or print form to insure it getting to the exact office, room or suite. number zip code,etc. Washington D.C. is a big place.
I may be mistaken,but I have not seen on any of the blogs the exact address to send in copyright materials to, especially if you send it registered mail or certified mail?
For Mac OS it’s basically the same thing.
Open a terminal window.
Navigate to you desired folder using “cd” command
Then do “ls -la > filelist.txt”
What you get is a text file listing the content of the directory including any attributes, permissions, and file sizes.
If you want to know more arguments for the “ls” command type “man ls”
I was reading the latest issue of News Photographer , the National Press Photographers Association magazine, and in Mark Loundry’s Common Cents column there was a link to the the Colombia University Law School website called ” Keep your Copyrights” .
http://www.keepyourcopyrights.org/
Its a great site explaining copyright in laymans terms and is full of really useful information.
Just a FYI.
Alan
I have a couple of questions about the $35 fee.
What are the maximum number of images that can be submitted for $35?
I thought that I had read something about a “grace period” where you can add images within a certain time frame to the copyright that was submitted without have to incur additional costs?
OT, I have noticed some big name photogs already editing with CS4. Hmmmm.
Can you comment?
Hey Scott, this is a bit off topic; however, being a big fan of yours at a young age I have been using print services from MPIX. I recently purchased a photo (dimensions 16″ x 24″) from them. However at the time I didn’t realize that very few frames are made for this size print. Do you have any suggestions as to a website or store I could find a frame this size. Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the great info about how to copyright ones photos. Last week your guest said $45 a month, I was relieved to find out I could register all my photos for a one time fee of $45. Happy Birthday, I know I’m a week late. BTW not only is the Beetles “you say it’s your birthday” copyrighted, so is “Happy Birthday,” much to the bane of many a filmmaker. I was confused though when Jack Rezneki said life plus 70 years? So Disney gets an extra 20 years? The Disney copyright act kept Mickey Mouse copyrighted by changing the law from life plus 70 years to life plus 90 years.
Of greater concern is the Orphan works act which looks like it may through a spanner in the works.
Here is a link to the current version of this bill that will mean that the library of congress database isn’t enough. Well you can draw your own conclusions and follow it and maybe mention it on your show when we know more.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2913
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5889
Again, Happy Birthday.
I use a freeware program for windows called DirToTxt to turn directory listings into printable text.
By the way. As I’m submitting this it’s my birthday too, ya. Really it is.
Scott,
Just finished your 7-Points book. Went through the whole thing in about three days. It was fantastic. There is one thing it lacked though (who am I to talk…I’m just a newby to this) that is using Photoshop with black and white photos. Are there any projects on the burner dealing with this? Perhaps you could refer me to a resident expert.
Thanks
bob
I had hear briefly mentioned in other forums about the possibility of registering a web site / blog / flickr site as an ongoing publication of sorts and thus get any future ‘published’ photos covered without explicitly registering the individual work.
I realize this only covers a small portion of photographer’s work, but I was wondering if the experts might elaborate on this method of registration [or shoot it down as a possibility].
No to be rude or anything….but what happened to the photography and photoshop related postings on scott kelby’s blog. Seems like all everyone talks about is how to copyright…for the last month. Can we get back to the fun of photoshop again?
FYI a local south florida photographer just won a BIG copyright infrige case, .a judgment anyhow ….$12 Million!!!!.. here’s the link at a good site :http://www.photoattorney.com/2008/06/photographer-gets-12-million-verdict.html
Timothy Matthews,
The copyright duration used to be life + 50 years. The term extension act of 1998 made it the current length of life + 70 years .
ok when you submit your pictures on-line in a zip. Do you include the txt list of the files in the zip or seperate. I don’t want to have to copy 1000 file names to a form.
Thanks
Theo