Lightroom 2 Vs. My Lightroom 2 “Wish List”
OK, now that Lightroom 2, the real final version is now shipping, I can really take a look at how the new version stacks up against my dream “wish list” of features from a blog post I did well before the public beta was released.
Did I get everything on my wish list? No, but of course, I never expected to (that’s why it’s called a “wish list” rather than “a list of demands”).
Now, I was pretty psyched to see a lot of the things on my list did make it into the final shipping version, and of course I was disappointed at the ones I thought for sure would be there but didn’t make the cut.
So, here I’m going to look at what’s hot about about the new Lightroom 2 (and there’s plenty of stuff to be excited about), and what’s not (You knew there was going to be a “what’s not,” right?) Here we go:
HOT
- Hands down, the hottest thing in Lightroom 2 is the Adjustment Brush, and all the cool new things Adobe snuck into the brush since the Public Beta version was released. We wanted Dodging and Burning, but we got SO much more, and it has totally changed my workflow because now I can do so much more in Lightroom, including portrait retouching, color tinting, sharpening tricks, and things I didn’t think would make their way to Lightroom until Lightroom 5.
- The User Interface has been greatly streamlined throughout, and although the Library Filter at the top of the Library panel gets a lot of the attention, it’s the addition of the Collections panel in the Slideshow, Print, and Web modules that will actually have the biggest impact on your work.
- The Gradient Filter is one of my personal favorite new features, and again; what we wanted was something that would let us replicate a traditional Neutral Density Gradient filter; what we got was something much more powerful, and goes far beyond a simple filter replacement. Very smartly done.
- Combining the two Keyword panels into one is one of my wish list winners, but they took it a step further by incorporating key word suggestions, which is something I had never thought of (but already love).
- Another wish list winner was that we can start a slideshow with a blank screen (so you don’t see the first image before the slideshow starts). They also knocked another one off my slideshow list when they gave us opening and closing title slides. They also fixed another huge pet peeve when they added a checkbox so you can turn the slideshow looping off (so when the slideshow is over, it ends, instead of looping back to the beginning, like in Lighroom 1).
- Here’s one for all the people that came to my Lightroom Live! Tour, and saw the cool Print template layouts, and then wanted a way to save those layouts out as JPEG files (so you could send them to a lab). You got it!
- We got the Dual Monitor support everybody wanted (another from the list. By the way, so was the JPEG thing above), and we got “Post Vignette Cropping” which is big for all you vignette freaks (like me), plus the shipping version has more controls than the public beta version, which enable you to have more realistic looking vignettes.
- We got a mondo-big huge thing off my wish list; the ability to open Lightroom files in Photoshop as a Smart Object. Big-big-biggity big! Well done, too! Also, the combine to Panorama is really well done. The merge to HDR thing works well too, but the built-in HDR control in Photoshop CS3 is still pretty…well…you know.
- We got my Non-Uniform Cells thing off my wish list—not quite in the way I was thinking (which was more along the lines of the ability to have like three photos across, and have the center photo rectangular and the photos on either side square), but instead we got a version of Photoshop’s Picture Package, but it’s much smarter and better designed than Photoshop’s (except for the fact that in Photoshop you can put different photos into your Picture Package cells, but in Lightroom you have to use just one photo).
- A lot of folks at my seminars were asking if there was a way to make their Raw photos in Lightroom look like the JPEG preview did on the back of their digital camera (another one from the list). In Lightroom 2, Adobe added Camera Profiles (available from the Adobe Labs site [link], that you do just that. This will make a lot of people very happy.
Plus, here are some other things that have been changed or improved since the Public Beta version of Lightroom 2:
- The performance of the brush is much better, and the auto masking has been much improved (I want this feature in Photoshop).
- You can export slides as JPEGs now.
- The Gradient Filter I mentioned earlier wasn’t in the public beta.
- You now have hierarchical dates and locations in the Library Filter (Including days of the week for the date).
- You can choose any collection you’d like to use to replace the Quick Collection as the current Target Collection (so if you hit the letter “B,” instead of adding a photo to the Quick Collection, it adds it to that Target Collection you selected).
- Now the Adjustment Brush has more effects you can apply, including Exposure, Brightness, Contrast, Saturation, Sharpness, Clarity and color toning (and these are all available for both the Adjustment brush or the Gradient Filter tool).
- The output sharpening in the shipping version has been enhanced, too!
STUFF NOT ON MY LIST THAT MADE IT - They greatly improved the Auto Tone function, and now it’s actually usable as a starting point.
- Lightroom 2 is 64-bit on both Mac and Windows, so now you can access crazy amounts of RAM, providing of course, that you have crazy amounts of RAM.
- 16-bit Printing (it’s only available for Mac OSX Leopard users, but that’s a limitation of the Windows OS; it’s not an Adobe thing or a Lightroom thing).
- The addition of a Detail panel, that shows you a 100% view of your image so you can make better decisions on sharpening and adding clarity, not to mention you can see retouches and dust removal up close while still working on the Fit in Window view.
- Print Collections rock, and they’re going to save a lot of time and headaches for Wedding and Portrait photographers (they save your layouts and the photos in them, so you can do reprints of things you printed in just one click. That’s simplifying the explanation a bit too much, but trust me—you’ll totally love it.
- Sharpening in the Web module on output. Whodathunkit.
WHAT THEY MISSED
- Networking. I thought for sure this time around.
- PhotoBooks. This one is killing me. For goodness sakes Photoshop Elements makes photo books. You can use Bridge services to make Photobooks, but not Lightroom 2. Sigh.
- Shooting Tethered. This is another I thought would be there for sure.
- A dedicated copyright or studio logo watermarking feature. Adding this must be much harder than it looks, because it’s on everyone’s wishlist, yet didn’t make it into LR2.
- The ability to change the background color of a printed page. Come on, can’t we get at least black as a background color? I think even Microsoft Word can do that.
- Softproofing. I would have bet money this would have been there (and lost).
- I thought we’d get some more lens correction/perspective tools, but alas….
- My Long shot pick: Built-in HDR processing. I knew it was a long shot.
SO, THAT’S WHAT’S HOT. HERE’S WHAT’S NOT:
- In my opinion, they kinda messed up Collections by taking away the whole “Create this collection as a child of…” thing. So, while there are Collection Sets (which are nice), the ability to create sub collections inside a collection has been really restricted (or made so clunky that you probably won’t want to). I actually plan to do an entire post just on this to explain the problem, in the hopes that Adobe might reconsider it, because (in short), what took two steps in Lightroom 1 for subcollections, now takes 4 or five steps in Lightroom 2, which is a big step backward. More on this later.
- While I’m very grateful for the three improvements they added to the Slideshow module, it needed about 12. There’s no reason in the world that Apple’s free “iPhoto” application’s slideshow feature should kick the crap out of Lightrooms. Sorry, it’s true.
- Lightroom still has to restart each time you change catalogs. Sigh.
- The Print Collections are great, but each collection in the Print module already remembers your last layout (not the photos per se, but the layout), and when you’re trying different layouts on photos in different collections, this can tend to drive you crazy. I think they should have let you decide whether the regular collections remember the last layout or not, because you can wind up going up to the Template Browser an awful lot in some situations.
- So many people have created so many great Presets for Lightroom, yet Adobe only added two or three new ones (as far as I can tell) to Lightroom 2. Some new presets and templates would have given new life to modules which didn’t have as many features added (like Slideshow and Web).
THE BOTTOM LINE
The bottom line is, despite my whining above; Lightroom 2 kicks $#@!
My criteria for whether an upgrade is worth it really comes down to this:
- Are the new features things I can and will really use?
- Does it makes me work faster and more efficiently?
- Is it a step forward in the evolution of the product?
- Is it much better than the previous version?
- Is it more fun than the last version (digital imaging is supposed to be fun!)
Luckily, my answer to all five is a resounding YES!
In all honesty, if the only new feature was the Adjustment Brush, it would be absolutely, positively worth the upgrade price alone (which is $99 by the way). So, from that point on, everything else is icing on the cake, but the other features that did make their way into Lightroom 2 are really meat and potatoes type stuff that makes our jobs more fun and our lives easier, so I don’t want to dismiss them at all.
Did I get everything on my list? No, but I got a bunch of things that were, and a bunch of things that, now that I’ve used them, should have been on my list, and now I can’t live without them. There are also tons of little tweaks, enhancements, and improvements throughout (an Adobe trademark move when they update software), and now that I’ve been using Lightroom 2 for a while, the thought of going back to Lightroom 1 sends chills down my spine.
I got a harsh reminder of that, when I had to look something up on a computer that I hadn’t updated to Lightroom 2 yet. As cool as I thought 1.4 was, it feels clunky, outdated, and played compared to Lightroom 2. Yes, it’s that much better. I’m psyched!




















Wow Scott, you are just a wealth of Lightroom knowledge this morning. Thanks for all the great information. I just ordered my upgrade and can’t wait to check out the new classes at Kelby Training next!
Do you think the use of third party plug ins might be a part of Lightroom one day as well?
UPGRADES THE BETA CATALOG
What’s VERY COOL is that I’ve just uploaded and upgraded my lightroom 2 beta catalog to LR2. Done with the new LR2 without a hitch. Very surprised.
Nice post Scott. I’m really looking forward to getting into the new features that weren’t in the beta. I’m also glad the bushes are faster. They drove me nuts in B2.
I’ve been working with my presets in beta 2, and while they all are working as planned I’m excited about playing with the new tweaks to push the limits a bit more.
Gavin
SeimEffects.com
Awesome post. I haven’t really kept up to speed on LR2, so to me this post was also an introduction (and a great one, too). So, thanks.
I’m already on my way home from work to download that trial version! =)
6 hours remaining, though!
Once again!
Great post Scott!
//Robin from Sweden
Once again, excellent cutting edge evaluation and commentary from you, Scott. Thank you, Sir!
Balliolman
England.
Wow, I didn’t even know we were so close to seeing a shipping version. Now I understand why the whole photo walk thing launched yesterday. Definitely ordering your book on Amazon now Scott. Although you might want to check out Amazon.co.uk because they are telling me it will be available on 28 Jan 2009 – maybe they are referring to Lightroom 3 who knows!
$99 seems a fair price for the upgrade but here in the UK we will have to pay $166 for the same download. Why is that? Number 1 on my wishlist would be that Adobe don’t rip people off.
Will have to think long and hard to see if the upgrade is worth considerably more than I paid for the full version 1.
Hi Scott,
Great post, as always!
I noticed the link where you mentioned Camera Profiles was broken. Was it supposed to got to http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles ?
Thanks again!
This is great! Thanks for the detailed update. I wish that it interfaced with NIK filters, but hopefully next time.
Someone else beat me to it, I sense it’s Adobe pricing complaint time again. Still i’m lost as to how that means the UK again pays much more for the same item in the same language as the USA. – rant over
The networking that Scott mentioned is still my biggest concern, I’m sitting on a heap of iview catalogued images on networked storage and hoped LR2 would be the saviour.
Thanks Scott – as usual I’ve learned a ton from your blog. I’m looking forward to hearing more information about the sub collection issue. Since attending your Lightroom conference in DC last year, I’ve come to rely on sub collections to keep organized. I won’t be making the upgrade until I hear from you that this is still a simple process.
Keep up the good work!
++bronson
Scott,
Thanks, as always, for the indepth look at LR2. I steered clear of the beta for day-to-day work, but was impressed with the features I saw and so looked forward to the release. I’m a little surprised it came out now; I was thinking it would come out sometime in Sept., but maybe they released it so you crazy NAPP kids could dive right into it for PSWorld in Vegas (which I can’t attend, unfortunately!)
I’m going to have to really get into the LR2 crash course you have at Kelby, because I’m looking forward to Matt’s excellent tips and workflow ideas.
Thanks again, Scott!
Bob
Thanks for this great review…
’cause there is so much LR2 blog to read today !
Thanks again Scott
Fred !
Scott,
One thing you could not do with the Beta version was import your version 1 data into the beta. Does the newly released version 2 allow you to import all of your previous data into ver. 2 or do you have to start fresh?
Jeff
@Jeff,
yes, version two lets you import all version 1 data right at first launch.
what about speed?
i am testing V2 vs V1.41, and V1.41 seem a lot more reactive..
conversion speed (raw->jpeg coming from 5d files) seem the same, but 1.41 more reactive in use.
i have a Imac 2.4ghz 24″, 4gb ram, dual monitor running on OsX 10.5.4, i deactivate the “open in 32bit” to use the 64 bit version.
Now the pressure is on. Do us lowly PS Elements users take advantage of a an Adobe offer to upgrade to CS3 through the end of July for only $299 OR do we pony up the same amount and get LR2? Decisions, Decisions… Opinions welcome!
>In my opinion, they kinda messed up Collections by taking away the whole “Create this collection as a child of…†thing.
Check out the context menu for collections called “Set as Target Collection” Now you can target that to be the “quick collection” using the B key instead of image just falling into that Quick Collection. I think that makes up for the hassle a bit.
Hi Scott,
I see here also some discussion about the difference in price for US and non-US customers. As an Insider as you are, can you shine some light on this one? Seems that Adobe is a company that listens to you! I hope you listen to your fans in Europe, Australia etc and give us some hope that Adobe will change this in the near future.
Love your work, tips so keep up the good work.
Kind regards from one of your European fans,
Joost
NAPP members – Don’t forget to use your Adobe discount; I saved almost $15 buckaroos. It’s on the Software Discounts page when you sign-in to your NAPP member pages!
Scott, I can’t believe you missed that one! You must have been too excited about LR2!
One feature I was looking for is a serialized numbering system. Ideally I would like to number all of my photos with a unique number. What I wanted was the ability to remember/assign the next number during import.
Any word on enhancements to the maximum # of pictures a single catalog can handle? I know 1.4 choked on several of my catalogs so I had to break them apart. I’m not a fan of that.
Scott,
I think that in your wish list you never really talked about the unbelievable difficulty in adding items to Lightroom as opposed to Photoshop. Every edit in the Lightroom file has to be able to carry forward to the next edition. Adobe can’t just drop features or change features as a prior edition file won’t work in the newer edition. Also changes have to be part of Adobe Raw Converter. That seems to me to be a huge factor to consider in every feature that is part of the “sidecar file.” I’m happy that Adobe was able to do so much considering the thought that I’m sure they put into the future proofness of each change and addition.
Jim Simon
Some people have already beaten me to it but I just want to re-iterate the distaste it leaves in my mouth when Adobe charge $99 US and £81.08 … Come on this is almost twice the cost for us Brits for the same product. Scott please have a word.
BTW, great post as always
Great Preview, Scott. THanks.
Does anyone know if third party slideshow plug-ins work with 2.0? I have Slide Show Pro and am reluctant to upgrade because I need that program to work. Anyone give it the old college try yet?
Now there’s a “blur effect” on the clarity slider…
Nice upgrade, but… Where did my Develop presets go?
I had some commercial develop presets (Jack Davis, among others) but they are missing in action spite to be where they suppose to be. Any ideas?
Besides Matt K’s weekly presets what are some other good sites for LR presets?
Dear Mr. Kelby,
Windows Imaging Component – WIC (Vista, XP SP3) supports many pixel formats for bit depths of 8, 16, and 32, as well as indexed formats and packed-bit formats.
We have 2008 and it is not true that Windows has 8 bit depth only (!)
And the limitation to 8 bit is the Adobe thing and the Lightroom thing
Regards,
Kazimierz Popinski
Wow, today is like Lightroom day! Just saw the Lightroom Learning Center you created and its videos, man, you guys rock. My only pet peeve is that i really thought Lightroom would be a $100 less to compete with Apple Aperture 2.1 pricing. Don’t get me wrong, Lightroom’s pricing is great, but it would have been nice if it was $199.
Scott, LR2 seems like a great improvement over 1.4.1. The only drawback is the learning curve to learn the new interface.
Cheers,
Max Surikov
MaximPhotoStudio.com
just made some more test (i remember Leopard 10.5.4 and Imac 2.4Ghz, 24″)
so in 64bit the conversion is damn slow (90 seconds for 10 5D raw files, versus 65 of lightroom 1.41)
in 32 bit mode conversion is a little faster (few seconds less than 1.41 in same test)
but even after optimizing catalog and cleaned the previews reactivity is not as same level (seem a little better in 64bit, but still worst than 1.41)
the difference is clearly visible with LR in full screen mode (1920×1280 here) in samm windows is ok….
think is already time for a 2.01 at least for OsX users
Hi Scott,
you complanied that there was no option to shoot tethered, I also was really sad about this.
Do you think it might make it in an update in the near future, or would that be too much to hope for?
-jr
Hi Scott,
Can’t wait to take the LR2 Class
Cheers,
Justin
Hi Scott,
Great post. As always, your blog is on my must catch-up list each day.
I’ll add my name to the list of complaints about pricing outside of the US. Here in Australia costs are $US513 for the full product and US$170 for the upgrade…that’s even if you download it. What justification does Adobe use?
Anyway to the man who writes the best introductions for his books, keep up the good work.
Reg
Hi Scott,
Talk about psyched … LR2 is awesome!!!! My editing workflow time just keeps getting shorter and shorter. Geez in a few years time, if Adobe keeping adding enhancements like this I can’t imagine what we’ll have at our disposal.
Exciting times ahead
All the best to you and yours,
Glyn
Great info, Scott. I’ll be updating tonight. I look forward to checking out your new book as well.
I have to agree about the Photobooks. Perhaps a company like Blurb or Mpix will come up with a photobook plugin.
Thanks– Tom
I enjoy hearing your enthusiasm as you share all these great things with us! Thanks.
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Even with the new keywording features, can I still not have it automatically apply all parent keywords like I can in Bridge? If not, please show me how to do this.
Cheers,
Karl-Franz
http://karlfranz.com
I followed the link to Camera Profiles and had a look around. I downloaded ACR 4.5 and loaded the profiles which show up when I use ACR as part of my normal Bridge/ACR/PS workflow (I’m not a Lightroom user). Unfortunately figuring out how I can take full advantage of this new development, especially the DNG calibration software fried what’s left of my brain.
I wonder of you or one of your smart buddies could put together a dummies guide for the rest of us, perhaps as a lesson set on Kelby Training.
I’d love to use my color checker card to make a custom preset using this new set of tools, but I fear it may take until Christmas time for me to figure out how. Help the great unwashed please.
Bob Walters,
I had tried recently using the script from Chromholics along with a picture I took of a ColorChecker card. I did the process three times and each time took over 30 minutes and the results were awful. The blue swatch always looked purple.
Using the new DNG Profile Editor was a cinch. It took less than a minute to do the entire process. The short version is:
– Open up the DNG PE. A window called “Untitled Recipe*” will open.
– Choose “File|Open DNG Image…” and open a DNG picture of the ColorChecker.
– Select the “Chart” tab on PE.
– You will see four circles on the window with the ColorChecker picture. Move each circle by clicking and dragging it so that it is in the center of each of the four outer corner patches of the ColorChecker image.
– On the Untitled Recipe window click on the “Create Color Table…” button.
– Choose “File|Export Profile…” and give it a meaningful name.
– That’s it. Now when you restart ACR or Lightroom you will have the new profile appear in the Camera Calibration area as a new choice.
I was quite pleased with the results and how quick they were.
Note: If you want to be even more precise, you can:
– Take two pictures of the ColorChecker card: one outdoors in bright sunlight (6500K) and the other indoors with incandescent (Tungsten 2850K) lighting.
– Open both images in DNG PE
– Select the “6500K Only” option in the dropdown list in the Chart tab of PE.
– Put the circles in the corners of the 6500 K image and click on the “Create Color Table…”.
– Then select the “2850 Only” option from the dropdown list and repeat the “place circles/click Create Color Table” steps using the other image.
– Save your profile and you’re done.
It really was very easy. I hope this helps.
Cheers,
Karl-Franz
http://karlfranz.com
What, you can’t shoot tethered in 2.0?? You can in 1.4…
You know, you hit the nail on the head with regard to collections. I think one of the great things about collections in the old version was how easy it was to take a group of photos and create a collection of virtual images with a single click and a dialog box.
One of the best ways to keep up with slideshows and websites is to create collections of images. They take relatively small amounts of disk space because the image file isn’t copied. And YES, when you have lots of collections, organizing them in a collection tree is all too important. In fact, I use sub, sub collections – for example Web Site -> Clouds -> Spring Thunderstorm. Then I can create a different group called Client A->Slideshows->Office Building.
PLEASE bring back the ease of collections from 1.4.1!!!
Great site, Scott, Thanks! David.
Hey Scott,
I couldn’t agree more with your comments about having child collections. This is actually one of the main reasons I haven’t purchased Lightroom yet. I’ve been using iMatch and I really like the folder structure they use which allows me to assign a child keyword and have all the parent keywords assigned automatically. For example, I have the following folder structure: Animals\Pets\Dogs\Max. When I assign the keyword “Max” to a photograph, iMatch automatically assigns the keywords animals, pets, and dogs. This speeds up my workflow and creates some consistency in my keyword assignments. This also makes finding keywords easier because they’re all arranged in a logical hierarchy. I really hoped that Adobe would come up with something similar for Lightroom 2. The fact that they didn’t seems to back up some of the other comments I’ve read saying that Adobe hasn’t focused on creating Lightroom as a true DAM software. They’re more focused on the photo editing capability, which is nice, but I already own Photoshop and Camera Raw. What I really need is a true DAM solution.
Thanks,
Norman
Norman,
What you suggest is available in Bridge by selecting the “Automatically Apply Parent Keywords” option. Alas, it doesn’t seem to have been added to Lightroom 2.
Cheers,
Karl-Franz
http://karlfranz.com
Scott,
I am so with you on the Book Printing thing, or lack there of. I really need this feature. Lightroom 2 rocks, but I think it is missing the boat on this one.
Best,
J. Paul
Scott,
Great writeup! I’m still poking my way through all the features you mention, but have certainly found LR2 to be an improvement! You hit the nail on the head with the streamlined workflow — having the Collections panel available in all modes is a huge time saver for me as well as the improved Library Filtering.
Keep up the great work!
Mark
Thanks for the post, Scott. What functionality were you looking for when you say they don’t allow shooting tethered? It looks like the Auto Import option in the file menu does let you shoot tethered by watching the folder your camera is exporting to. Am I missing something or did you just want more direct camera communication?
Unless I’m missing something, I would say one of the biggest thing missing is the ability to lock photos so that you don’t accidentally edit them. With all the keyboard shortcuts, it’s just too easy to do something accidentally to a photo without even realizing.