It’s “Guest Blog Wednesday” featuring Scott Kelby

I know—I’m not a guest. But I looked at my calendar yesterday afternoon to see who I had scheduled as my guest for “Special Guest Blog Wednesday” and it was completely blank. I’m really not that surprised, because as my wife will attest; I have the memory retention of a hamster, and I guess I just completely forgot to get line up a guest blogger for today. So, you’re stuck with me today as your guest blogger, but next week I’ll have an actual special guest, so at least it won’t happen two weeks in a row.
An Odd Admission From A Book Author
This may sound kind of weird coming from a guy who makes his living writing books, but I don’t think there’s any method of learning that compares with being a part of a live seminar or workshop. As good as a book or a video is, it’s a one-way experience; there’s no interaction with the instructor; no opportunity to get that one question answered that’s been driving you crazy, and as passionate as an author might be, you just don’t get that excitement—that buzz—that energy you get from a great live seminar or workshop.
That’s why I love teaching workshops so much, and it’s also exactly why each year I try to attend as many of other people’s workshops as I can, as a student (I’ve recently taken workshops on everything from shooting food, to shooting home interiors).
I think for a teacher like me, it’s particularly important to learn new things, new techniques, and new ways of looking at things, so you don’t get in a rut—you need to feed that side of you that made you want to be a teacher in the first place, and for me, learning new stuff just feeds my passion (well, that and buying new camera gear, but that’s a whole different problem. Or story. Depending on how you look at it).
The Art of Being a Good Student
Now, up to this point, I’ve been talking as “Scott the instructor” or “Scott the Photoshop Insider Guy,” but what I really want to talk to you about today is something I’ve learned as “Scott the student,” so from this point on, I’m giving you my perspective as just another student in the workshop, so please keep that in mind from this point out (but I’ll check in again as regular Scott toward the end of this article). I want to talk about ‘Being a Good Student,’ and making the most from the live learning experiences you’ll come across.
There’s One in Every Crowd
When I go to a workshop; I’m there for one reason—to learn from an absolute expert on a topic. But in a couple of the workshops I’ve attended lately, one of the students literally “Hijacked” the class, which had a really negative effect on:
- The other students
- The instructor
- The “bad student” himself
I’ll give you an example of how one student somewhat hijacked a recent class I was in. It was Architectual/Interiors shooting workshop Matt and I attended out in California. The instructor would tell the class, “Here’s how I would set-up and compose a shot of a room like this,” and as soon as those words were out of his mouth, “Bad Student,” would step in and say, “Well, that’s not the way I would shoot it, and he would proceed to show the instructor how “He” does it (which, of course, is exactly the opposite of what the instructor just showed us). The problem is; he’s not just showing the instructor off to the side. He’s now showing the entire class. He’s directing his comments to the instructor, but we’re all now standing there watching another student showing the instructor his methods, during our class time.
Now, this guy might be a phenomenal interior photographer. In fact, he might even be much better than the instructor (we, as a class have no way of knowing; we all just met 30 minutes earlier). Or, he might be a total hack. We just don’t know. But we do know this; we paid to hear the techniques from the instructor—not this student—but there we are—all standing around listening to the student.
Now the instructor has to spend time justifying to the “Bad student” why he uses the technique he originally demonstrated (while we all stand around), and then he continues his lesson to us. About two minutes later, after showing how he sets up a flash, the “Bad Student’ interupts and asks the instructor, “Well, wouldn’t this technique also work?” and he proceeds to move the flash over to a different location and he shows how he’d light the room. The instructor is frustrated. The students are frustrated. This guy is “hi-jacking the class.”
The instructor once again has to show why he uses the technique he does, and then we finally move to another room. The instructor starts his lesson, and the Bad Student kicks in again. Thankfully, another student who’s already got steam coming out of her ears, finally steps in and says directly to the Bad Student, “Your technique might work, but I paid good money to learn how to do this stuff from him [she points to the instructor]—not you.” All the other students chime in immediately with a “Yeah, we paid to hear from him!” and he backed off for about 10-minutes, and then he was right back at it.
Now, you might be thinking, “It’s the instructor’s fault; he shouldn’t have let things get out of hand!” I can tell you from personal experience, it’s very tricky dealing with a hi-jacker, especially in a small group like we were. I thought the instructor did a good job of trying to give this guy a visual que (through his facial expressions), that he was holding up the class, and by trying to cut his interruptions short as possible without being rude, but with this guy, it wasn’t easy. Even a sharp, direct comment from another student didn’t slow him down.
This same thing happened to me when I was a student in another workshop earlier this year, and while I won’t go into the whole story here, the woman wanted to let the class know she was a big time pro—more of a peer of the instructor than a student (however, this could not be further from the truth, as was evidenced by a display of her work before the class started). Sadly, she proceeded to hi-jack the class big time between challenging the instructor’s techinques, and monopolizing his time.
Here’s the thing; both ‘bad students’ paid to attend these workshops. I would like to believe that they signed up because they wanted to learn about the topic from the instructor they paid to learn it from (that’s why I signed up), but then they get to the class, and they spend the day trying to become the focus of the entire class. I just don’t get it.
Thankfully, this didn’t happen in the class I took last weekend from Mary DuPrie, but there’s generally “One in every class.” Don’t be that “One.” If you pay to go to a workshop to learn something new, shut up and learn. There are other students in that class who paid, too—and they paid to learn from that instructor—not one of the students. Be a good student; stand back and just take it all in. That’s why you’re there.
Outsmarting The Class
Here’s a tip for getting the most of on-location photo workshops. I’ve been a student at many of these, and I’ll use the “Digital Landscape Workshop Series” workshops as an example. We’ll get up at the crack of dawn, drive out to our shooting location, and then Moose Peterson (world famous photographer and head of DLWS), gives us some tips for shooting that location, and then we set-up for our shoot. So far, so good. But there’s “Always One” student who thinks they’re going to “outsmart the class and the instructors” and they break away from the group—away from the instructors, and go off by themselves to get that “one shot nobody else will get.”
This is another form of “bad student.” Here you have the incredible Moose Peterson, and co-instructors Joe McNally (Yes, that Joe McNally) and amazing landscape photographer and total gear-head Laurie Excell (who runs NAPP’s own photo gear desk) right there—at your disposal. They’re there, on location, to teach you how to shoot landscapes. They’ll show you composition ideas; talk about which lenses you might use, where to set-up, what to capture, and basically share one-on-one knowledge you can’t get any other way. What an incredible opportunity for the class. Except for the One student who headed off by themselves so they could “get that one shot nobody else got.”
So, what did this student learn from their morning with Moose, Joe, and Laurie? Not a darn thing. If you’re going to wander off, totally ignore the instructors, and do you own thing; why pay for the workshop in the first place? Just fly to a nice location, wander around by yourself, and save the money. The reason people go to these workshops is not just to shoot in beautiful places—-you can do that on your own—it’s to learn from world class instructors. Be a good student, and not only will you come home a better photographer, you’ll have invested your workshop money wisely.
Why I care
There are two reasons:
- I’m a student, too. And just like you, I really want to absorb as much as that instructor has to share. I spent my time and money to attend the workshop, and I really want to hear what that instructor has to share.
- I’m an instructor, too. When I do a workshop, I really genuinely want it to be a fantastic learning experience for my students, who spent their hard-earned money for their travel, their time, and for their workshop registration fee.
I take my workshops very seriously, and I have everything planned out, and a written outline for every hour, of every day, of the entire workshop (even if it’s a full week long). Sadly, I’ve had students hi-jack my own workshops, and in those cases; nobody wins. Not the students, not the bad student, and certainly not me, because it takes my class outline and tosses it in the trash. It derails my plan for the class, it totally makes me lose my focus, and it hurts the entire workshop for everybody.
The Moral of the Story
Be a good student. Go without any expectations. Go without any preconceived notions about what you should or shouldn’t learn, and just allow yourself to soak it all in. Respect your fellow classmates and the instructor’s time. Ask questions when its appropriate, but make sure you remember it’s not a private workshop, and leave time for others to have their questions answered.
Workshops and seminars are really what you make of them. If you go in with an open mind, it will come out full. If you go in already knowing everything, there’s not much room for anything new to find its way in. Go in with the idea that you’re going to learn a ton, and you’ll get double your money’s worth, you’ll make new friends, and you’ll be a better, more-informed, well-rounded person for sharing in the experience.



















Amen to that!
Agree with what you just said. Workshops are there for a reason and that’s why we all pay good money to attend them. It should be 2-way, the instructors should be well-prepared so that the students learn from them and respect them too. The students should also come there wiht an open mind a thirst for knowledge.
However, with your example of the ‘bad student’, I can just imagine that it’s tough to handle that situation. It seems that the ‘bad student’ you mentioned just wanted to have someone else validate his style or just wanted to have a one-on-one time with the instructor to discuss their techniques.
excellent post Scott, agree with everything. Attending many I.T. training courses, I’ve come across the traits you’ve mentioned time and time again.
Great guest blog… can we get this guy again??
Great topic Scott. It is always frustrating on those occasions when a student hi-jacks the class and even more so if the instructor decides to “duke it out” with that student to prove who is “king”, or they go off on some esoteric long winded discussion. Those hi-jacks need to be shut off quickly … and kindly … and the class returned to the rest of the paying participants.
On the subject of the student going off by themselves, I saw some of myself in that and I am going to have to carefully watch myself in the future. Having attended a number of workshops I have found myself in the situation where the discussion topic is way “beneath” my current skill level (or at least I feel that it is) due to the make-up of a large mixture of skill levels at many of these workshops and rather than listen how to attach a camera to a tripod or level a tripod — I have wandered off during that portion of the discussion. I will have to re-examine my absences and make darn sure they are justifiable. I will admit that part of it is looking for that unique image and I will have to make sure that is not the driving force — thanks reminding me that is NOT why I am there.
I think people just want to be noticed and don’t want others to think they are stupid. But like you said that’s why you go to a class, to learn. I have taught a few classes myself where students have better or faster ways of doing things and I always say ” great idea”. But when I’ve been to other classes where a student Hi-jacks the class the number one thing I here the teacher say is “lets move on”. So lets move on here. Just thought I’d add another Mike to the comment board. See ya in Vegas!!!
mike meyer
Scott,
Bad students are a real pain. In nearly all social context or situations there are persons that want to float above and know better, in other words ‘besserwisser’. You can find them at a party, in school, at work, in a workshop or somewhere else, they just have a big need to fill their ego and confirm themselves. It’s a social sickness.
I’m looking forward to Saturday…The PhotoWalk…I will attend the one in StockholmïŠ.
Great topic and I must say I know just what you are talking about.
I think must people that has taken a class have had this experience.
I have been teaching myself also and I can only agree that a student that just keeps pressing on can really ruin things.
Ones I was at a workshop where it ended up with the instructor asking the student to pipe down or leave, if he left he could have a refund but he would not allow him to ruin the workshop.
This was applaud by the other people at the workshop.
Scott,
Good topic and post. I have experienced problems where one or more students has a very obvious mismatch with the skill level required for the particular workshop. This has resulted in the hijacking of a class by the instructor backtracking to cover principles/skills which should be assumed for the course. Clear communication of required skill levels or assumed knowledge base is helpful – but doesn’t necessarily prevent this form of hijacking, which is very frustrating to other class members.
Scott
Experienced “hi-jackers” as well, but one thing I can’t stand – the cell phone. Cell phones users – If you’re a student in a class, turn it off or at least put it on vibrate. Excuse yourself from the room or wait for a break. As an instructor, I ask everyone to turn them off or place on vibrate and to respect others time in class.
Don
Excellent post & topic…total ignorance and lack of respect. Shame on the bad student.
Saturday’s forecast…sunny and in the 80’s…
-Bob
(Boston)
I was in a class with a “bad student” much younger than me. Every other sentence was, “Well my dad, a Nikon rep said…” It wasn’t even the student who had any knowledge or talent. Luckily the teacher knew we were all annoyed and got him to be quiet.
I also dislike the unprepared student. If a class if for intermediates, don’t be a beginner. I understand that the first class or lesson, it takes everyone time to get on the same page. And there may be some small questions. But on the whole, the right level of experience is helpful.
I attended a DLWS (amazing and inspirational) and I wandered off a bit – natural curiosity, competitive nature to find the best shot, exhaustion. But I agree – I stayed glued to an instructors’ side, asking to look into their lens, why that shot, what about this angle, did I get it, what would you do differently? A year later (wow, it’s almost a year!) and I still ask those questions and before I take a shot, ask myself, what would X instructor do?
Thanks for putting out there what so many of us have experienced, Scott.
I’m there to soak up every bit of knowledge I can and I can’t stand the bad student.
Great post. It brings to mind a quote that I think was Mark Twain, but to paraphrase,”Blessed is he who knows what he does not know. For the person who does not know what he does not know, thinks he knows everything.”
Very Nice Guest Blogger Post Scott..and so true. I think the bad student exists in almost all seminars or classes unfortunately. Not sure if the bad students will see themselves in what they read here though. You could refer them to the book “A New Earth” by Eckhart Tolle, it talks a lot about Ego and how it gets in the way..
Claire
Your worst guest blogger to date!!!
Just kiddin’! Great post, lots that can be taken from it. Thanks Scott!!!
Totally wrong! Don’t you think it’s possible that what you consider to be a “bad student” might actually be a genius and everyone should listen to him. In fact, teachers should probably just relent and bow to the greater skill set and greater mind. Heck, I think that should happen even on personal blogs, like this one.
Okay everybody… pay attention… here’s how I would have written today’s blog post:
kidding!
Scott, you nailed it! Now if we (the other students) could just figure out a way to vote bad students off the island before it’s too late.
Excellent advice and good points. I don’t know what gives people the idea that they have the right to start advising and complaining about a class during the session. It’s certainly not the way I have been taught to act during a class of any kind. I can only imagine it stems from some sort of insecurity, a need to show off and one-up everyone else (which extends to many more things besides photography workshops). I hate that attitude!
Couldn’t agree more Scott, hopefully I’ll get lucky with my fellow students when I’m giving a seminar in a few weeks time.
Thanks again for the great blog
-Mark
Good post Scott. You were briefly hijacked in LA on the LIghtroom tour a couple years ago. I flew out there from Phoenix to go to it and someone was upset about your photo shoot. They asked, “what does that have to do with learning Lightroom?” You even offered him a cash refund right there on the spot! Well I knew there would be a photo shoot ’cause it said so in the description! And that’s exactly what I wanted. So to you impatient-types out there…make sure you read the class description before coming. And if you don’t like it…keep your mouth shut!
I have been on both sides of the hijacked class routine. Not fun for either the instructor or the student. As an instructor, my worst experiance was a student who was totally disruptive, verbally and physically. She wasn’t easy to deal with. Later, she and her social worker explained that she had a few “mental health issues” and unfortunately the student never returned to my classes. She actually had some talent!
Great instructors? Dean Collins was a totally out there, first class showman/ instructor. Arthur Morris, his many years of school teaching shows in his ability to teach clearly and directly. And he delivers results. Those goofy guys on PhotoshopTV? They are great. Moose? I didn’t warm up to him, but I came back from his workshop with some great photos. George Lepp, his enthusiasm is infectious.
A student should still be “Professional” !!!
It would be up to me, if I was a student, to take what the instructor has presented and use it or not. Or, after class or during a break, simply have a discussion with the “teacher” No matter what, even tho’ it’s fun, a workshop should be a professional surrounding and that goes for the students as well. Perhaps all the instructors should have a “Bad Student” black list. Not to help you but to help the other students get what they paid for.
Thanks for the post today. I have a DLWS workshop coming up in the San Juan Islands and the timing is perfect. I am one of those types that might tend to wander off, not cause I want to get the better shot, but because I also have the attention span of hamster sometimes. I will be reminded of this post when I am there. As always, your hard work is appreciated by us all
OMG… Can I print this out and pass it to every student in workshops I teach and attend… You are the best… and there is always something to learn at every workshop or seminar isn’t there… thanks for reaching out on this one… et
Scott, I have had the same experience with my fiddle workshops and with my private fiddle students also. I’ve found the best way as a teacher to shut them up (so that I can continue to give my knowledge to the rest of the class) – and I do this because I believe the person’s intention in taking the class in the first place was not to learn but to prove to herself and others how much smarter she is than the instructor – is to answer the issues she raises with technical responses that are way beyond their capabilities to understand. That usually does the trick in a workshop. In my private instruction I simply dismiss the student and ask them not to come back.
My first workshop outside of a classroom setting will be the NAPP Photo Safari in Vegas. I just got the email with the particulars yesterday, and I’m really looking forward to spending the day with Joe and Moose. Thanks for the great post! I think it will help me get the most out of the “safari” and be a better student.
See you in Vegas!
To Rob:
I’m totally jealous. Moose and Joe are two of the guys from whom I’ve learned the most about photography. You’re going to have an amazing day, and you’ll meet two of the most genuine, gifted, and giving instructors out there working today. Plus, with your great attitude (as attested by your comment), you’re going to get the most of it.
-Scott
Scott,
Thanks for the clarity and honesty
Ken
I loved your blog today. My wife and I are going to do a DLWS with Moose next year in the Outer Banks and I am anxious to see which places we will end up for the photo shoots. I found interesting that some of the posts were about Moose being a “bad instucor”. I think they are trying to “hi jack” your blog.
Scott,
Awesome post. This should be required reading for every workshop attendee and instructor. I’ve seen classes hi-jacked time and time again and it’s so upsetting to see. See you in Vegas.
Steve
Great post, but a little disappointed. I look forward to see who the guest of many great guests will be.
Great post though
Scott, thank you for once again telling the truth in your own inimitable way. Sure there is one cockalorum on every event that consists instructors and audience, and sometimes you may consider yourself happy if it’s only one single person and they do not, in the worst case, appear as a pack…
Wonderful blog entry again, thank you!
P.S. I wish I could attend to a NAPP class/seminar (as a “good” student for sure). It’s very difficult if not impossible to find something similar here in Germany. Well so much for the jealousy
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Uwe
Amen! We had one of those “students” during a Base Camp with Moose. Not only did the guy miss out on a lot of insight, he also scared off the subjects or at least interfered with their natural behavior.
There there are the ones that seem to manage to put the back of their head in front of your lens at least twice a day . . .
Interesting topic
Yea there’s always one….
Having a class hi-jacked is such a drag, it’s one of the worst things to have happen. So annoying, and it can be incredibly disruptive for the entire class. And effects the amount of material we get covered in a class.
But as a teacher its part of the job to figure out how to best deal with a variety of situations.And we all have those “ya remember that student…?” moments & how I didn’t get much past how to use the cropping tool. I’ve taught both adults & high schoolers and they both have their challenges.
It’s great to be a student too – makes me a better teacher + oh yea you learn new stuff..
Disappointed?!? Scott’s the best guest blogger EVER in the history of guest blogs on scottlkelby.com!!!
By the Way, I am so looking forward to the photowalk this Sat. in Fredericksnburg, VA. I’ve never been to a photowalk before and since I’m relatively new to photography, I wanted to go to help solidify the skills I’ve learned in Scott’s two digital photography books. I was going to go to one of Jeff Revell’s photowalks a few months ago in Georgetown but for some reason didn’t, and wouldn’t you know it…..Scott and Matt went to that one!
Way to go Scott. I really hate student hijackers. It is amazing how much one can learn when he/she would sit down and shut up and just listen. Thanks again and I hope Photoshop World does not draw any bad students to it.
Thank you Scott, these are true and wise words for all students.
When I returned to school to study photography, my college aged son advised, ” Do not behave as if you are the only one in the room with the teacher. ” I guess he too had his share of hijacking students.
Great post! As an instructor and also as a student I see this all the time. I try more and more when I’m the student to be the good student so as to have them in my classes. I too hope that PSW will be a grand and rewarding time, as it will be my first.
Thanks for the reminder and the de-”bad-studenting” that will hopefully happen before then.
Sorry you forgot to line up a guest blogger and got caught in a pinch. The 5:41 a.m. time stamp on this post is making me cringe; I know it takes a nice block of time to put together a thorough post.
I taught a world geography class in a homeschool co-op and invited a good friend who is a college professor and world traveler to share information and photos from a 6-week trip he’d just made to Namibia.
One kid decided it was his chance to be the class clown and disrupted every chance he got. Fortunately, I was able to talk to his mother afterward and the kid got a thorough dressing down, but it didn’t help much at the time.
Hopefully, you’ve just deterred some potential “bad students” by giving them a heads up as to what they’re really doing to themselves and everyone else.
Have a blessed day!
As a psychology guy, this post was especially of interest to me.
The first job of the teacher is to make sure all the students are ready for learning. Scott, you come ready, but others have blocks. They might have rushed to get to the location on time and their mind is still on the traffic. Or any of a hundred other reasons. The first job of the teacher is remove any blocks of the students to learning.
Onto your specific case – the ‘bad student.’ What it comes down to is ego. Some people interpret the act of being taught as being told ‘I know this and you don’t.’ Which is true, in fact, it is the reason we are there as students, but for some it strikes a personal chord that they aren’t even aware of. And prevents them from being available to learn.
In reality these aren’t ‘bad students.’ They are needy students. Needy for something that really isn’t part of the class. But their need interferes with their ability to learn and disrupts the entire class.
The ‘peer’ feels a need to not feel ‘less than.’ The unspoken opinion of the class that they aren’t leads to a panic. That leads to a greater need to establish their position.
The way to handle ‘needy students’ is to give their ego something to hang onto. Compliment their insight, then ask them to hold their thoughts until later (a specific time – my later might be 3 hours, theirs might be 5 minutes – cooperation is sometimes hard to see).
This won’t always work. In the extreme, some people are so needy they will need to turn the class into an ongoing ego boost session. But most times, taking a few minutes to address the real cause of the problem can resolve it and lead to a better session for all involved.
Understanding the blocks to learning is as important a skill for any teacher as the subject matter expertise and needs to come first. Unfortunately, teacher training is often lacking in this critical teaching skill. Now, ‘bad student’ or ‘bad teacher?’
Steven
Yell DOG PILE!!!! & every one put their camera on CH & Paparazzi them.
It works man… A co-worker at work wanted to see my new D3 & then while i was showing her. This guy showed up & started the Nikon -Canon debate trying to hijack her questions about the D3 which she was thinking of getting. So me being the Smart A**S that i am I blasted away at him on jpeg -basic & he got the point & left. & this also leaves you with a some pics to remember the moment. & its also really fun.
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Just walk up and TASER the sucka. Word will get around.
Great article Scott. Really made me want to do 2 things:
1) Attend a great workshop
2) Punch the Bad Student
Maybe, I’ll have a chance to do both soon enough =)
In a previous life (before photography, and before IT), I was actually on track to complete my PhD in Political Science. During that time I was also teaching at a community college. Classroom instruction also gets these “bad students”.
After two semesters of it, I nipped it in the bud by making an announcement something like the following in my syllabus.
“While participation and interest is encouraged, since we are a class of almost X people, I would ask that each individual limit tangential or direct discussions to no more than once per class session. Other students in the class paid their tuition to have me instruct, and I cannot do that if class time is devoted to the needs of one student over the rest of the class. In the event such instances occur, I may ask the student to stay after class to discuss the subject matter further, or to visit during office hours. ”
It may sound callous, but I discovered that if you start out as Mr. Nice Guy, you cannot transition to Mr. Tough Guy. However, the converse is much easier to accomplish – from Mr. Tough Guy to Mr. Nice Guy. Just make it simple, matter-of-fact, and professional during the first day or handout session. That way, when it does happen, you can just reference the syllabus and say “Thanks for the idea – please meet me after class to discuss it further, but we really need to move on.” Then, if they continue, you can say “I’m sorry, but I think individual instruction might be better for you. If you’d like I can refund your workshop fees for this session and quote you a price for one-on-one. Email me at your convenience, but the rest of the class needs to move on.”
It may only happen once, but after that once, the word will get out that instructors time is not to be monopolized. Tough lessons for tough egos sometimes, but in such scenarios you really need to fight fire with fire.
I know I’m late to the comment game, but where do you find these workshops? I remember reading about the food one thinking it sounded fun.
As a teacher you have to be prepared to handle this situation( I saw you do this in Atl efectivly and with a laugh) Just like as a photographer who has to be able to handle a art director who wants to takeover a shoot
( I once had one who wanted to know why we just couldnt light something black) And as students we have to try and stop the Hijacker.
I guess my point is we all have to be prepared.
scott,
once more “right on the money” (and money that can hurt if hijacked…)…
as a photographer and professional retoucher for many top photographers, i am teaching advanced retouch techniques to fellow photographers. not in every class, but in many i have to face hijackers. if possible, i usually try to “solve the problem” during a break, in which i speak to the person in question and explain, that while he might (might!) have a point in some (some!) cases, he should keep it for himself.
especially if it comes to photoshop there are so many techniques that can produce similar results, there is no “right and wrong”, there are only good and bad outcomes. and even then its still a question of taste.
being “nice, entertaining and friendly” (which all instructors should be) is one thing, cutting off idiots is another. managing both is tricky. handling such situations during breaks has helped to “save the rest of the day” for the other students. in one case it meant to send one student home, as he simply felt “too good and too important” to shut up. his work – however – was … well… not quite “as impressive” as his self confidence!
Scott,
Excellently put! I have been to only a few workshops, and I too have seen this. It is very discouraging to be in a workshop that this happens. Fourtunatly the workshop that I took at PSW 08 in Orlando with Moose and Joe this was not the case. I thank you for brining this to the attention to the BAD students that may not know what they are doing and I hope that they reflect on their actions and the next time they attend a class they change their bad student ways. I also want to commend you for also the WWPhotowalk. Go Spokane,WA!
Hi Scott,
I was surprised you didn’t mention your handling of the same situation at your Lightroom Seminar in LA a couple years ago. When the “bad student” started his hijack attempt, you took it all the way offering a CASH REFUND right out of your own pocket for him to leave. Well played sir…
Sean
Scott: Your remarks on what is the “bad student” are vital to anyone taking a workshop with a small group of students.Most people do not realize there are basic rules to make any communication environment -even if the invisible rules of participation are not apparent
at first glance.
McLuhan once stated ” While no one knows who first discovered water, we are sure it wasn’t a fish.”
I really think you should write a preface to be given to each student who registers for a workshops to make them aware of how and what “hi-jacking” is in a workshop. This would include as you stated- respect for other students’ time and respect for the instructors’ point of view,even if they disagree with it and so the instructor can make visible what are the parameters of communicatioin needed to be a successful workshop.
What you stated is so vital to the group dynamic of any workshop that you should print it out so no false assumptions are made about the informality in a group dynamic, and the public role of an instructor is in a classroom and the role played by student at the same time.
Most of the time most of us don’t realize that in any communications setting,the only roles people can choose to play are Superior; Equal, and Subservient. Once one enters a workshop,one should be certain what role they choose to play.
While these roles are interchangeable in any formal or informal setting as a workshop they cannot be changed as a whim by the student.
Your statements are really so important to guide
the roles we come play in these settings, and not just
take for granted we know as much as the instructor.
A great blog Scott !
AH !!!!! Just another excellent use of Gaffers Tape.:):):)
Great post! Nothing aggrivates me more than a ‘bad student!’ I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. Hopefully it is a wake up call for that handful students to show more respect and humility.
I admire your blog, hard work, and talent so much. You are a great motivator. Thanks!