A Word From Moose About the Comments On The Nikon D3X
[Note From the Editor]: Moose and I were both emailing back and forth about the angry comments posted here yesterday by readers concerning Nikon’s new D3X product announcement. We were both surprised at all ‘the hatin” goin’ on.
My (Scott’s) take on it was this: “Look, Nikon came out with a new camera. It’s $8.000. If you think it’s too much, or not for you—-don’t buy it. That’s it. End of story. If Toyota comes out with a $75,000 car tomorrow, with just one big advantage over a Toyota Camry—I don’t get mad at Toyota. I don’t berate Toyota. I don’t go on forums and slam Toyota—-they can offer as many Toyotas as they want, at any price they want—I don’t have to buy one—I’ll just stick with my Camry. That’s it.”
Anyway, after writing back and forth, Moose emailed me a short story/follow-up, which I wanted to share with you here today because it’s much more eloquent than my short rant above. It’s Moose’s take on the situation, and I thought it really adds to the discussion. So, here my first mini-guest blog, from my friend Moose. –Scott].

The scent of fresh baked turkeys still lingers in the air, boxes are a strewn across the living floor as xmas reemerges for its grand annual show. The family has all come home and by some amazing good fortune, fresh snow has fallen so inside and out, everything just says happy holidays. Laughter is in the air, stories of past fun being told, adventure while we were apart are being shared. It’s what life is all about.
And then there is dad. He’s got that black box in his hand and light on a string bouncing of this wall, that ceiling, saying hold still, reposing a prior moment, crawling on the floor looking for a new angle (while you’re down there, can you hand me that ornament that just fell). He’s even outside on the deck shooting in through the giant window as if some stranger peering in on the family fun. “Honey, come in from out there, you’re scaring the neighbors!†All this just to preserve forever the special moments that, when we look back on the photograph, a smile comes to our face, a warmth to our heart.
Photography is a funny thing, it’s full of “gotchas!†and “round robins†and “catch 22s.†There are probably more idioms involving photography than life itself. And yet, that simple click of the camera can on one hand put a giant smile on your face, or giant frown. To have fun with a camera, you’ve gotta take some aspects seriously. Take photography too seriously and all the fun goes out of it. Throw into this mix the human factor and oh man, all hell can break loose!
The one thing though that has always puzzled me about photographers and their photography is, the stress they seem to pile on it. In all honesty, it’s just a picture. Yeah, the photograph can have an impact, they can change the world but, they are still a picture. The sun will rise tomorrow with or without those pixels corralled, shined and displayed. That’s more than can be said for some photographers though.
What brings me to this wondering rant is the current blogishsphere response to the D3x. Not too many years ago, photographers were daring the photo industry to come out with more pixels. Daring is probably too gentle a word, demanding is more accurate. While many of us were saying quality is more important that quantity, the web was alive with forecasts of world doom if we didn’t get more pixels. So the manufactures produced, on their time schedule (which never, ever matches photographers) said cameras and being more pixels, charged more. And with that done, now the outrage, the anger because what, they delivered what you asked for but at a price so they can stay in business? They are not putting a gun to your head to buy them, they are not taking away all the other less expensive options forcing you to jump on board. All they did was add another body to the line up. They brought out a tool that some demanded and others truly need. And with that, the flood of anger. Emotion in photography is good, it’s a must for powerful images, and contained in your image is where that emotion should be focused.
I had a very wise high school photo teacher, Mr Traub. Most of his lessons, being the typical dumb kid, didn’t sink in until long after I’d left his class. I learned a lot about photography, and photographers in those two years. One day after a number of the upper classman had moaned about how they were stuck using the “old†cameras, twin eye monsters, and not able to use the new Nikon F2, they weren’t able to take good images. Mr. Traub in his oh not so subtle style handed them his Nikon F2 with 55f3.5 Micro and said, “You go shoot with that, I’ll go out with this broken TEM and we’ll compare what we get.†We all know the outcome, Mr. Traub had great images, the kids had kid’s stuff. It wasn’t the gear but the inspiration, the talent and the emotion behind it that made the images.
I’m the first to admit: “Hi, my name is Moose, I’m addicted to cameras.†And yet with that admission, I still have a small camera bag of gear. I am very fortunate and thank the powers to be that I have the opportunity to evaluate gear before putting down hard earn cash so I add only those pieces, those tools that permit me to make a click into a smile. I would suggest if we took ourselves and our photography just a little less seriously, we’d have a whole lot more fun, better images to share and witness the best outcome of our efforts. Bringing a smile to the hearts of those we expose to our photography from the emotion we’ve packed into our photograph!
– Moose Peterson



















I think I’ll own both Canon and Nikon gear, just to show that the world will keep turning. Oh, and I own both Mac and PC. I’m very happy and proud that we live in a society where we do have so many choices of tools to use for our passion. Kudos to our camera and gear companies, I support you and thank you. -M
Excellent post. At this time of year and in this current financial crisis, perhaps we all need to reassess our priorities a little.
I don’t suppose the good people of Zimbabwe are too worried about their cameras at the moment.
Another great post, you’re right – sometimes we all just go a bit bonkers.
Click, Smile, Nice..
Sime
I liked Scott’s and Moose’s comments. In all the lessons I’ve taken, the reading I’ve done and the videos I’ve watched, not one begins with “You really need to buy THIS camera”. They’re all teaching me how to use the camera I already own. Some people are artists with cameras: I’m still a student with a camera. Photographs taken by Weston, Ansel Adams, et al aren’t being thrown out because they weren’t taken with the latest, best camera. A photograph is moving, or beautiful, or powerful because of the photographer and his subject: not because of the camera. I need to remember that each time the newest, best camera comes out.
The way I look at new camera bodies coming out is that it should drop the price of current camera bodies. Yes $8000 is big, but for Moose, Joe, and all the others that are professionals probably need it and/or those that have too much money and just want it.
I agree with Moose 100%! When I got my first Pentax film camera for Christmas when I was 11, I shot what ever I saw. Then someone said think and feel about what your shooting.
But I am always taken back my favorite movie “THE SANDLOT”, just do, don’t think.
Of course you dont have to buy but 8000 for a 5500 camera _is_ a bargain, and that’s a fact as much as you dont have to buy it.
It’s sad to see people griping because they can’t afford to buy the latest and greatest camera on the market. I’d love to own a Ferrari but it is out of my wallet’s reach. I certainly don’t whine about that fact nor do I resent those that can afford to own one. I also don’t challenge Ferrari’s right to make and price their vehicles as they deem appropriate. Ken Rockwell’s boycott of the D3X is simply puerile. How can anyone take him or anyone jumping on his bandwagon seriously…As the song goes: “Ya can’t always get what you want…”
Hay Scott:
You right of course, and so is Mouse….. Just a short 3 years ago, for my 50th birthday my wife bought me a D70, I was jazzed I thought I was in heaven…….I shot all kinds of pictures. i thought it would take me forever to get the whole digital thing together, but being a Print Production Manager, and my shop was already very digital it didn’t take long at all….. Then I HAD TO HAVE MORE, so myself with my wife’s’ approval I went out and bought a D2xs and a lot of glass, good glass…. THEN the dreaded D3 came out and I would love to have one, but the piggy bank is empty.
I have been busy putting together a website ( which is not up yet ) . I need images, lots of pictures, so I started looking at the old D70 files, which had been archived, and what I found is though the OLD D70 files were not quite as big or maybe not as fine as the images that come from the D2xs the images content is much better…. I think I got lost along the way, so I have been working with the D2xs with a renewed vigor, and not so worried about a new camera body, but I have to say I would love a D3.
After all I am a photographer.
Personally, I prefer low light shooting (D700) and don’t even want the newest D3 iteration. But, for those who have long waited for the D3x, I’m sure that less than full time pro’s who can’t afford it are upset.
Economics would probably never make this feasible, but I feel it should have come out around the same price as the D3, because what it gains in pixels, it looses (probably) in ISO noise. If it could excel in both areas at the same time, then I’d pay 12k for it!
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Although Moose makes a good point, I also find nothing wrong with a boycott, as it simply means voting with the wallet — nothing puerile about that. I know 2 guys who could afford to buy several D3x’s, but aren’t, simply because they feel the addition of megapixels as the only upgrade is not worth the large price increase.
The analogy of a $75,000 Toyota doesn’t fit here, because many today feel the “Toyota” is only worth $45,000. The D3 proves that a great camera can be sold for 4.5k and the 5D MKII proves that a high megapixel camera can be sold for 2.5k. I think some are using that prism to survey this new D3x and scratching their heads at 8k.
Here’s my take when I read yesterdays blog:
The Nikon F2 came out in 1971 and was eventually replaced in 1980 – that’s nine full years before an upgrade! We now have a very expensive camera (D3) being overshadowed by and even more feature rich – albeit expensive – camera (D3x) in about a one year period. I can’t afford it but take great satisfaction in knowing that at the rate new cameras are improving, AND at a shorter time frame, it’s just a matter of a few years before those features on these expensive and feature rich cameras trickle down to something I can afford.
In the mean time I will continue doing what I can with what I have (D80). Look what Ansel Adams did with the “old technology” years ago. Leaning to work at 100% with what you got is much better then trying to keep up with the latest and greatest technology.
Scott,
I agree with you and Moose wholeheartedly. People have quickly forgotten what a gift Nikon gave us in the D700. Almost a D3 at half the price! They didn’t have to do that. And if they don’t make money, we don’t have Nikons to buy.
One micro-rant about Nikon though. How about easing up on the price of high end glass. That is really where the good shots are, not the camera. But damn anything f2.8 expensive!!
I think the reason why people seem so peed off with the new Nikon camera is that if it had come out at the same time as the 1DsIII, then it would have been received with joy, but as the 1DsIII has been out for some considerable time [and has dropped in price], you do not expect Nikon to simply release a catch up camera at the Canon’s old price. Especially one which seems to be just a D3 with a higher res chip and inferior high ISO performance.
And like it or not the 5DII and the Sony A900 are also the competition, as people are buying them instead of 1DsIIIs – especially in these unsure economic times. If you do not already have Nikon glass, this camera is very unlikely to tempt you to switch to the system especially if at times, you want to shoot hi-res and high ISO. Though unsurprisingly, the Sony is also not so hot at high ISOs either.
I like the down-to-earth answer from Scott and even more so with a story from Moose. Well done indeed. Sometime you can’t teach the Calculus lesson to the 1st grade, so let them slowly progress at their own speed, and those who get mad at Nikon for the new body they just releases, IMHO – they’re just passion about gears, not photography – or worse, perhaps they mad at themselves for foolishly buying the latest body then later realize that there is another one much better ?
I fully agree that if you don’t like what Nikon is currently offering, then don’t buy it. The market will support (or not) the price they are asking.
I think the greater point is what Nikon is offering. The D3x is virtually the same as the D3. The only difference is the primary digital board and sensor have been updated (as reported, there may be some menu tweaks).
So, we get a camera with a 24.5 MP sensor (approaching a medium format), but there is also a trade-off. Frame rate has dropped, ISO settings have gone down. For this, we get to pay an extra $4k? Call me crazy, but I think I will pass this iteration.
The up side? The other cameras in the lineup may go down in price. Don’t ya just love a free market?
P.S. If it is only a picture (which I agree, it is), maybe we can look forward to seeing a Coolpix mounted on Moose’s tripod.
I don’t usually respond to things of this nature, but have to say: Well said, Moose!…..Thank you for speaking for the majority of us out here!
Joe
Scott & Moose,
I was having a in-depth conversation with a few other working Pro’s here in Japan this afternoon and the agreed upon consensus amongst us was that…
“The price of the new D3x is not so much a testament to the high price of flagship cameras – as much as it is a testament to the INCREDIBLE VALUE of the Nikon D3 as a tool for the working Pro”…
Every photographer of the roughly 15 or so involved in the discussion – regardless of brand loyalties – felt that the D3 is still the “GOLD STANDARD” for all but a handful of specialized Pro’s who have a high MP count demanded of their work…
Thanks for the comments and reasoning guys – it seems that the
“voices of reason” are currently being drowned out by a group of very vocal individuals who should have been more careful of “What they were wishing for…”
Cheers,
Just remember folks, A newer camera doesn’t make a better picture or a better photographer. Ask yourself this… are you making a good living with your D100, D2x, or other camera. The D3x isn’t that revolutionary. I don’t think it will change too many things so dramatically that you will be loosing money without one. Be happy with what you have. Will you be able to make up the cost quickly? If not I’d stick with your current camera and keep saving your pennys. Cause you know the D4x will be out in a year or two.
mike meyer
Boy, this brings some recent discussions to the front for me.
I too had a Toyota Camry, which wasn’t as comfortable as I need a car to be. I put on around 35,000 miles a year and really like (or is it need?) a comfortable car.
Well in these tough economical times I was told I was crazy to be looking into purchasing a new car, let alone a expensive one (for the area I live in), and also, why wasn’t I looking at an American car!
Well I tried an Audi A6, and yes, I loved the car, but it was MORE then I could afford (shame on you Audi). Well I then checked out a few New and used Lexus, more wonderful cars, but why do they sell for some much money. I’m going to write to these folks (after I finish writing this article) and give these folks a piece of my mind (what’s left of it).
Well all the while looking I was reminder over and over, that the world was coming to an end, and that I shouldn’t be making such an expensive purchase … well to get on track, if I can.
I purchased a Toyota Avalon, and yes, I LOVE IT! It’s very smooth, very comfortable and it’s what I could afford. Yes this makes me very angry that I can’t afford a new Lexus, Mercedes, Audi or any number of other fine cars. But the reality of it is, I bought what I could afford. If I want one of these others cars, it’s up to ME to figure out how to do it, not up to the companies to lower the price to a point where I can afford them now.
Would I like it if they lower the prices … hell yes, but I’m I angry becasue they don’t – no.
Now the same goes for the camera.
I’m one of the “I want the very best, and I want it now” – oh, and I want it priced at a point I can afford to pay.
I wanted a D3, but ended up with a D300. And YES I’m very happy with the camera.
Hey, as you can tell, I could go on forever but in closing I’d like to say:
Is it a WANT or a NEED. Once you decide that, the decision you make will be much easier to live with.
Most of if not ALL of us, DON’T need any of the toys we buy, we want them, just like we want the new D3x. You can always do what I did early on, get a second job so you can have what you WANT, and there’s always a third job, if you want something even nicer.
I actually had 2 jobs and OWED my own car (3rd job) was while I was going there my “I have to have it stage”. I did what I had to, too get what I wanted (but did not need) at the time.
Ok, ok I’m done.
To those who get, use, buy the new D3x, PLEASE enjoy it.
Skip
Blame no one but yourself for what happens or doesn’t happen in your life.
Skip
We don’t need to be admonished or corrected for having negative opinions about Nikon’s product and pricing strategy for the D3x. The reasons you cite here are specious. Our relationship with Nikon is specific to our professional needs, and unlike our relationship with, say, Toyota in most every relevant respect. Though Toyota, if anyone, realizes that they built their fortunes by giving the customer exactly what they needed at a price they could afford. An expensive car is a luxury. A high-end camera is a professional tool that one uses to make a living, and its capabilities are not luxuries, but paramount to one’s success.
Nikon has made a serious error here that will impact their user base and their own long-term fortunes. We are in a recession/depression economy now, and we are a price-aware market. We know that the D3x costs the same to make as the D3. We know then that Nikon is charging an exorbitant premium. This should rightly engender anger from its customer base. It tells their user base that only the wealthiest amongst them will be accorded the privilege of gaining a professional edge in a ruined economy, and for no apparently good reason. No matter what their reasons in the boardroom, they sent out the wrong message for this economy by spiting their customer base. And it will hurt them mightily, and that in turn will hurt those of us who have an investment in their system, and had placed material trust in their goodwill.
The “just don’t buy it” mantra is an empty slogan. You should listen carefully to the sound of checkbooks being packed up all around the world.
Hi Scott,
I’ve enjoyed the pep talks from everyone. If you get a chance, check out Thom Hogan’s “It’s the Economy, Stupid I, II”
Well, the difference between the Toyota and the D3x is that we do not have all the seats, dashboard, steering wheel and door knobs as separate accessories at home.
Brand loyalty starts from the Catholic Wedding we have with our lens manufacture. Camera bodies are just the topping on the cake. Switching over to a different brand costs muchos $$$, which can explain the fret talk.
While I have tremendous respect and admiration for both Scott and Moose both whom I have learned a great deal from, I can’t help but wonder if much of the frustration comes from the fact that most people expect prices to fall. Like computers, hard drives, ram, large tv’s, these prices all fall as technology advances. People look for the bang for the buck and expect it. New iMacs in January will surely be more feature packed, faster but for the same price as they are now. New cars come out with more features and options every year with only a modest or no increase in price at all, because the competition is so tough.
As a very happy D300 owner, the announcement yesterday was shocking in looking at the value factor in relation to other camera makers. As a photographer looking forward to the potential of what a new camera can provide (full frame, larger files for cropping, faster) I was hoping the D3X would drive down the cost of the whole Nikon line a bit.
Canon seems to be providing this bang for the buck value that would be a good investment. The D700 is still more money than the new 5D Mark II, so looking forward to a new camera purchase, Canon may be the one to buy.
Photographers are so crazy passionate, and most realize that regardless of brand the shot is the deal. Photographers are also smart enough to know what technology can do for their business and when they see a lack of value, it is expressed regardless of what “team” you’re on.
Hey there Moose – greetings from down under here in Australia.
Absolutely agree with the comments!! If someone doesnt want to buy it – they dont have to buy it. Simple. Dusted, done!
It is actually the views of the others that are specious.
Did the announcemnt of an $8,000 (US) camera suddenly obsolete the tools that were being used by them previously – NO!
Does either Nikon or that other company force anyone to buy their equipment? NO!
Are either of those two camera companies in business to make a profit? YES!
The complainers should dig out the old “Eagles” album and put on “Get over it” with the volume cranked up to 11!
What a pack of whingers!
Back when I had my business going strong, I would often times bid the jobs much too high simply because I didn’t have the time or didn’t want the business. Every once in a while someone would bite and I would take on the premium work.
This seems to be the situation with Nikon. They are offering basically a overpriced, low production model to tell the world they are still in business. They have already cut back on production in China, so it seems to me they are willing to further reduce production on items the public wants because of the world-wide financial crunch. They are offering a high ticket item for those few who require or demand it.
Hello, my name is Gregg and I have a gadget problem…
Scott. it ain’t about the hate. Just frustration.
When I listen through the noise, I believe everyone wants the Next Big Thing. They may not need it but they want it. I believe everyone wants value. Some may not need to watch their dollars but they still want perceived value.
Nikon’s offering the Next Big Thing but the Next Big Thing is not within everyone’s reach… and it’s frustrating to some. Let’s be honest… very, very few of your readers will ever make a substantial living from photography. I know I won’t. But I still want good, top end, gear. Nikon has just shown me my gadget financial limit. No one likes reality. $5,500, I can do that. $8,000, and I see myself on the next episode of “Intervention”.
Later,
Ziv
What an amusing situation this all is turning into – with every big rumor, each “demand” some anonymous forum poster makes to a camera company, the announcement of some new item that “will change everything” and then the wailing over perceived shortcomings – it’s always the same. It’s amusing, it’s sad and it’s predictable. Little fish trying to be big ones, amateurs posing as Pros (but I’ll stay out of that one), carpers posing as Marketing Experts and so on.
Fun to watch from the sidelines. But, every so often, from the back bench, a quiet voice asks – what is your evidence, show us some pictures, are you serious? And, the hand waving begins, emotions boil and all to what effect?
We and they all vote effectively with our choices of brand and model, the art and commerce of photography go on and, you know, from the street, everything looks and feels the same. The emotionally charged tempests evaporate, condensation occurs and new ones are precipitated.
Life goes on, we all practice our craft, our passions, our hobbies.
Let’s enjoy what joins us, not how we differ. And – let’s have some fun and fulfillment.
Bernie
I enjoyed reading both Scott and Moose’s comments here. I have also read what Thom had to say. As for myself, I have been very impressed by the D3X images I have seen. I had guessed a price of between $7-8000 earlier, so $8K did not come as a shock, Nikon has performed quite a feat of engineering with the D3, D700 and now the D3X.
I think many expected the D3X to be priced lower and are expressing their frustration over pricing. So much so that the exceptional image quality is taking a back-seat.
I just wanted to say that I think the D3x is so cool that i ordered two of ‘em!
I can’t wait to stockpile 75MB RAW images on my hard drives, which is where 90% of my photography remains anyway.
I’m not earning much of a living from my photography, but it’s going to make a helluva time capsule for my great grandkids!
….provided that there will be software available to view those RAW files….
There’s an old story about Jascha Heifetz, arguably the finest violinist of all time – and all time to come. After a concert someone came backstage and said ‘Oh, Mr Heifetz, your violin sounds so beautiful!’ So Jascha picked the instrument up to his ear. listened, and looked back at the person and said, ‘I don’t hear anything.’
Duhhhh!! Heifetz could pick up any instrument and sound brilliant, an neophyte could pick up a strad and would sound like ……..
When the D700 came out, I KNEW it was the DSLR I’d been waiting for, right size, right price range, right features. I don’t need more, some people do and can afford it, I’m glad for them that Nikon has developed the tools that fill different specific photography niches.
Peace
Scott, I remember from my childhood an old saying, that if “they can’t eat bread let em’ eat cake.”
All this braying from the dissolute voices about what they can’t have and can’t afford is just endless.
As a biblical proverb once stated so clearly, “if you have to worry about buying oil for your yacht, you shouldn’t own a yacht!”
As for all of you saying “if you don’t like it, don’t buy it” Duh!
We all know that. If these comment sections become politically correct and polite all the time then there’s no reason to read them. All you fanboys, stop telling us the obvious. This should be a real world gauge of how people feel. If I want nothing but praise, I can go to the manufacturers site. If I want to know what avid photographers (pro and amateur) think, I come here. Just because you like something, doesn’t automatically make your opinion more valid.
Demoting All(Most) “Professional†Photographers! At a hard economic time in our history when many small business owners (a.k.a professional photographers) are struggling to stay afloat, this D3X price-point has just relegated a lot of pros to the level of “soccer moms with cameras.†But don’t get me wrong here. I fully understand that the camera does not take the image. A great image only comes from either a great deal of luck; or vision, knowledge, due diligence, a years of practice. But for the struggling pro who is pulling out all of the stops to continue to differentiate themselves through capability and business image from other pros and the “soccer mom with a cameraâ€, this demotion hurts. The point-n-shoot Canon G9/10 will take really great pictures at a wedding and with luck, produce some keepers. But as the functionality and cost of the lower end DSLR come into more hands of “soccer momsâ€, differentiating yourself as a pro vs. the good enough/cheap enough public is getting near impossible. And for Joe, Scott, and Moose who regularly have Nikon reps at their workshops, this has got to be tough. I don’t even want to see the $75K Toyota (D3X) because I have just been demoted. I guess I will just have to break out my 4X5 and go back to scanning on the weekends and working at the WalMart photo booth during the day.
I cant believe that someone who actually TRIED to get you guys to stop a whining flamewar, actually caused another because he told you how he felt about it. Jeesh!
In the amount of time it took Luke and Ziv to come up with cute ways to end a paragraph, they could have been outside taking some pictures.
If you think the camera isn’t worth the 8grand that is your opinion.. wonderful – I agree. But complaining on a Photoshop blog? You just look like a tool.
I’d agree you come here because you want to hear Scott talk about digital photogaphy and Photoshop, not a head to head bang up of camera specs and their appropriate prices.
The interesting experiment i’d love to do is setup a picasa page with the photography of the people who are complaining that the camera is too expensive. I’d bet two things:
1. The pictures would suck.
2. The pictures they’re doing could be done with a D90
Yet.. they just took out their morning coffee frustrations by pissing on a person that has nothing to do with this..
Go to Nikon.com and stop wasting space here.
My two European cents…
It’s not the price of the D3x… it’s the price COMPARED to the D3 that doesn’t sound right. If there wasn’t a D3 the price could be correct, but honestly, a $3000 difference for “just” a different sensor?
My bet is that the prices will drop quickly because Nikon was on a roll with the D700 and D3, but now there criticized by their own customers.
How stupid can people be. I’m a canon user and I find it interesting to read your blog and keep up on all that’s going on in the Nikon world. Thanks for the news!
Well put!
thanks
The first DSLR I owned was the 3MB Canon D30, which is still in my bag today. My last upgrade was to the Canon 20D. If I complained about all the gear that was beyond my reasonable budget, I’d never have time to take photos.
What Moose had to say brought tears to my eyes. In these tough economic times, I feel blessed to have a camera. One positive coming out of the crisis is that many of us are taking a hard look at our values and the ways in which our lives either do or do not reflect those values. For myself, I am struggling to live more simply; not because I have to but because it is a more fulfilling way to live. And to paraphrase Lance Armstrong, “It’s not about the camera.”
Hi Scott,
You & Moose are right Nikon isn’t forcing us to buy this. I shoot Canon so I probably wouldn’t buy it anyway. Moose’s story is right on the money though. It is not the camera but the inspiration behind it. Heck, I just want a Canon 50D.
His Dumb Kid reference hit home to me with his lesson on the August Hawaii cruise. He explained some things during the cruise that didn’t sink in until about a month after when I was reading his blog one morning.
Thanks for some inspiration this morning as I’m rebuilding my Dell Laptop because Photoshop crashed this weekend with no luck uninstalling and reinstalling. Sometimes hope comes from the strangest places.
Happy Holidays Scott, Moose and all of you affiliated with NAPP,
Mike
Great Post Scott,
In a free market system, which in my view is going through deep national introspection, the market will will clearly speak to price points of any goods via the competition.
I cannot afford this new “thing” Nikon is bringing to market.
From a street level, who really needs it. I see word done with D200 and D300 that are so superb. I like what Moose says, its the “guy” behind the damn camera. Real simple.
My view from KY is this. When the D3 drops to $3,500 but it. Nikon has made a market misstep. Had they be able to forecast the economy when they put this camera in the works, no one would see it. Most experts agree, its the cmos sensor not the bill zillion megapixels.
I predict this camera will drop to $5,500 by the end of 2009.
I love Nikon and proud to use them. I have made many personal blunders in my life. It looks like Nikon has too, sad to say.
I am sorry for you Nikon. Our unsustainability economy will ot support this price point.
Ken in KY
I’d say that chances are that if you are griping about the price of the new Nikon you can’t really afford one at half the price. Do you really think you or your client(s) will notice the difference? Also if the problem is that huge either rent a body when needed or just wait 6 months for the next big Nikon to come on to the market and make the current one cheaper!
Moore’s Law seems to also apply to cameras, not just computers.
It all makes me wonder how I made a living as a photographer with only a Hasselblad 500 Cxx (fill in the model) and three or four lens all those years (45 and counting). Oh, I remember, it’s the photograph that counts, not the equipment. Although it is hard to make the photograph without the camera.
The only question my clients asked early in my career was “Why don’t you use Hasselblad?” and so I did.
Scott and Moose, I concur 100 percent! -John
great perspective..
Spot on Moose.
As a very happy user of the D3 I agree that it is a real bargain. Some reviewer mentioned about the D3 that it was amazing to them that Nikon held the price down to the same thing the original D1 cost. I bought the D1x and D2x before using the D3. I loved them both but the D3 is awesome in comparison.
I now have no doubts that the D3x is also an awesome camera. I can’t afford one but that doesn’t somehow qualify me to badmouth a camera I have never seen simply because I don’t like the price. When did we ever have anything to do with setting the prices of anything we buy? All if this ranting about the price is ridiculous. Long before the D3x appeared my assumption was that it would be priced where it is. Just because it is out of our price range doesn’t make it a ripoff. I would love a Mercedes but just can’t afford one. That doesn”t qualify me to rant against them.
It sounds like Ken Rockwell is up to his usual. Anyone who takes him seriously is missing something. Read his personal comments about his site and what he says. He even admits that a lot of what he says is way out. To take him seriously is to go against his own stated philosophy. And to suggest people blacklist Nikon is pure childishness. I want Nikon to continue successful so we have them around for future products. If they make a digital that competes with medium format cameras costing $10-20,000 then $8000 is a good price. Some of the rants in this forum are silly, and sound like children who didn’t get their way. So the D3x is more than you wanted, so what? Calling an $8000 camera a $5000 one doesn’t change a thing. How do you qualify to set prices? Man, let’s get over it and get out and shoot pictures, which I will be doing today with my D3. If it is overpriced too in your book, all I have to say is I don’t care one bit about that. I am pleased with the best camera Nikon ever built, that is until they now built the D3x. I can’t buy it but I am not going to go into childish rants over a company doing what they have every right to do. And your rants are not going to keep the D3x from being a big success.
Now, let’s get back to real photography. Too much time ranting and not enough time shooting pictures.
Vern
very nicely put ! and id have to say that i agree with u 100 %. though im a rookie at photograpy im not at LIFE…. Thank u for ur words
Again, well said. I’m a canon user and I don’t remember ever seeing this type of feedback when Canon released their first ver of the 1Ds. What gives. I’d still like to see you (scott) write about Dynamic Range and help the public here understand how to compare DR between camera’s when shopping.
Let’s respond to some of the common rejoinders:
1) It’s like a dream camera, and you can’t have everything you want.
It’s a tool, and disenfranchised customers can and should speak their mind. How else will the company get good information?
2) It’s like a luxury car
It’s a tool, involving an investment in a system, and an implicit trust with the vendor.
3) You probably couldn’t tell the difference between that and a D90 anyway.
If that were true, then nobody would want it.
4) It’s a free market
Yes, and the customers are free to speak and to resist being ritualistically degraded. Nikon is also free to commit marketing suicide. But we’d rather they didn’t.
5) In the time you wrote this, you couldn’t have been taking photographs
In five minutes, your voice can be heard, and that counts. The bunnies and chipmunks in the backyard will be just as cute tomorrow.
6) Take your pick: (i) I’d love a Ferrari too, (ii) Stop whining, (iii) Haifetz, (iv) Get over it, (v) Go out and take pictures, (vi) It’s only a camera, (vii) I just so totally agree with you Moose
In free markets, customers speak out because they know the power of their voices. In all seriousness, most of you people who admonish the Nikon critics do not realize the power of asking for what you want or need. You are the ones who will benefit if Nikon can be persuaded to lower their prices. Some of you even say that the price will come down. Well, yes it will, but that is partly because of the people you are trying to silence, if you just wouldn’t put so much effort into silencing them. I’d rather see the bandwidth filled with “Nikon, lower your price” then “Stop telling Nikon to lower their price.”
I was surprised to see this post, since I read the blog in Google Reader. I rarely leave comments and therefore, rarely see those left by others. I couldn’t fathom how the announcement of a camera would cause any anger, much less enough to inspire a post about it. This camera isn’t a surprise. The leaks have come out for weeks regarding many of its specs. How do you get angry about it? I get angry when someone rushes to get in front of me in traffic and then hits the brakes. A new product? You either want what they offer or not.