Scott’s Quick Nikon D3x Pricing Q&A

I’m teaching my Lightroom Live Tour in Los Angeles today, so I’m just going to do a quick Q&A to address some things that happened earlier this week regarding my post on the introduction and pricing of the Nikon D3x. Here we go:
Q. First, did Douglas Sonders Guest Blog yesterday kick major butt or what?
A. Absolutely! I was so tickled to see the level and depth of what he showed. A lot of people promise to show you “the whole thing” but then fall short, but I thought Douglas really delivered, and if you look at the comments from yesterday, he just got an awful lot of new fans. Well done, Douglas! I’d love to have him back again for sure!
Q. You’ve taken a lot of heat because you mentioned on Monday that Nikon introduced a new camera. So, are you getting a D3x?
A. Nope.
Q. You’re not getting a new D3x? Why not?
A. That particular camera is not for me. I know there are photographers who need 23-megapixels for their type of work, but I don’t need it for what I shoot (heck I could probably get away with just 8 or 10 megapixels), so a D3x just doesn’t make sense for me.
Q. But then you’ll have to live with the pain of knowing that you’re not shooting with Nikon’s highest top-end camera!
A. It’s a pain I’ll just have to live with, but somehow, I’ll get by.
Q. Won’t Nikon send you a free D3x?
A. Nikon has never sent me a free camera. In fact, Nikon doesn’t even send me review units to test for a week or so, so I seriously doubt they’ll be suddenly sending me their top of the line camera free.
Q. Yeah, but what if they did?
A. I’d try it out for a few days, but then I’d go back to my D3. I just don’t want to work with images that big. 23-megapixels files are going to fill my memory cards twice as fast, and my hard drives twice as fast, and make Photoshop twice as slow, so I’m perfectly happy with my D3 and D300.
Q. So, do you think the price of the D3X is too high?
A. Personally, I think it should have been priced around $6,500, but that’s just my opinion (by the way, if it was $6,500 I still wouldn’t buy it, because again—I don’t need it for what I shoot). That being said, it’s not fair for me to tell Nikon what their pricing should be, anymore than I’d like Nikon to try and tell me what price I should sell my books for. Right now, $8,000 is their starting price. A year or so from now, it may be less, or they may do something wonderful like they did with the introduction of the D700, or like Canon did with the 5D Mark II (how soon we forget).
Q. Yeah, but I just checked Canon’s Web site, and they’re still selling their 21-megapixel EOS-1Ds Mark III for $8,000. Shouldn’t they lower their price?
A. I guess if they weren’t selling—they would.
Q. Canon’s new EOS 5D-Mark II is a 21-megapixel camera, too, and it also takes high-def video, yet it’s only $2,700. Shouldn’t Canon discontinue their much more expensive $8,000 1Ds Mark III?
A. I don’t think so. Why should Canon not offer a product that some high-end users want, and are willing to pay for?
Q. So Canon’s top-end 20+ megapixel DSLR and Nikon’s 20+ megapixel DSLR are both around $8,000?
A. Yup.
Q. So why are the Nikon users so mad? Both companies high-end cameras cost around the same amount.
A. Nikon users wanted the D3x to cost a lot less.
Q. So can’t they just not buy a D3x?
A. I’ve been told countless times over the past few days that saying “…then don’t buy it” is not a reasonable answer. The only answer they will accept is for Nikon to issue a public apology, and lower the D3x price dramatically—thousands lower than the price of Canon’s own high-end camera.
Q. Do you think that’s likely to happen?
A. Nope.
Q. I noticed that you closed the comments on your and Moose’s Tuesday blog post about the mean comments on the D3x from Monday. How come?
A. Because it started getting really ugly. People were starting to say mean things to each other—picking fights—calling names, etc. and this blog isn’t about that, so on the advice of friends I closed it to further comments.
Q. How many times have you had to do this in the past?
A. This is the first time I’ve had to do this since I started the blog back in 2005.
Q. All this over a Nikon product announcement?
A. Yup.
Q. But I just went and looked and I didn’t see any really mean comments.
A. That’s because I deleted most of them.
Q. You know you’re going to get some more nasty comments from this post, right?
A. Of course.
Q. They know you don’t work for Nikon; you’re not sponsored by Nikon, you have no family members at Nikon, and that they don’t even send you units to review, right?
A. If they didn’t, they do now.
Q. So why are they still going to trash you?
A. They’re mad at Nikon’s pricing, and I made the mistake on Monday of announcing that Nikon introduced a new camera.
Q. But you don’t determine Nikon’s pricing.
A. Apparently, they think I do. Or that I agree with it. Or that I’m trying to hide it, create a cover-up, or there’s some larger conspiracy.
Q. Aren’t there more important things to worry about in the world than Nikon’s pricing on a camera most of us don’t need in the first place?
A. I would love to think so.
Q. How likely are you to mention the introduction of a high-priced DSLR from any manufacturer in the future?
A. Very unlikely. But if I do, I will state up front that the price is outrageously too high and that I hate the company that makes the product (whichever company that may be).


















Scott -
A sincere Thank You for this follow-up post to the dreaded PSA regarding a new tool made available to the photographic world. I didn’t comment in the now closed blog entry, wish I had, the crazy negativity was simply bizarre. I was so eager to check your blog today as I was actually worried about you – you’ve been going full speed for awhile now – after reading your Q&A I was relieved as your humor pulled you up to the table and then all of us who truly appreciate you, what you do for us and the photographic / photoshop community were able to voice a more stable, logical and gentle dose of opinions and thoughts.
Scott, when I (ahem) grow-up I wanna’ be just like you!
You Rock!
Correct me if I’m wrong but the more pixels the smaller they have to be which means the less data recorded to each pixel which causes problems with the dynamic range. I could be wrong and most likely will be but that is my understanding.
Now for all you with pixel envy….Honestly what is the biggest you will be printing. Or better yet is there a magazine saying “We need at least 23 mp file.” Didn’t think so cause if this were the case you probably wouldn’t have that problem of “the o so horrible price.” At that you would probably be using a hasselblad.
I’m like Scott I have no need to have something that huge for my pictures. My D300 & D700 do almost everything that the camera +5k does. By the way. Everybody that likes to fight on blogs………you guys and gals do realize that there are millions of nikon specific blogs out there right?
Keep up the good fight Scott. You guys need to come to Houston!
This is a great and humorous post~~I just don’t understand why people can get furious so easily on internet. They are nice guys in real world but once online suddenly everybody starts cursing each other over some stupid issues like the pricing for D3X. I totally agree with your opinion Scott. If you think it’s too expensive, then don’t buy it!! Period.
Hey Scott,
The secret to announcing a new camera is to make sure you post Matt’s picture right next to it. Everyone seems to like it when you or Joe post Matt’s picture.
(Matt buddy. Never got your last check)
Jeff
Thanks Scott you made me laugh.
Wonder what a pair of glasses like Joe McNally or Scott Kelby wear cost, Man if I could afford them I could see what they see in the viewfinder. (Maybe I could take the cost off my taxes.)
Just one word on your post – AMEN!
And, keep us posted on new stuff…I can’t afford most of it anyways, but its always fun to dream!
Keep up the good work!
hey scott, had fun reading your entry. it’s too bad that there were a lot of negative reactions… you’re right, i think people were just expecting a little bit too much on the D3x and they were disappointed. but, at the end of it all, it’s still Nikon’s call and i’m sure they’re targeting a niche group of photographers for the D3x…
Very well said Scott! I agree with you whole heartedly, BRAD
Scott (and Moose too)
I am sorry for all the bad apples out there that have energy to get worked up with such a violent behavior of words over a piece is machinery.
Photography is all about what’s in the mind, what you see through your eyes, about light, color and contrast. It is about the emotions your images evoke, what statements your images make, and how you feel about your craft inside.
Photography is not about the tools, hardware or software.
Thanks for you comments, writing this blog and making me get better as a photographer.
I was surprised and interested in the intense reaction to the Nikon D3x announcement. I offer the analogy of rooting for sports teams. I hear the most passionate discussions on sports talk radio about subjects like player trades, play calls, coaching decisions, and so forth.
Camera brand loyalty is similar to being a sports fan. We tend to buy into a system, so it’s a big deal to switch between brands. Just like being stuck with our local sports teams. Even if we have no intention to buy the top of the line model, we want our brand to do well. Maybe we figure if our brand does well, we’ll have better choices down the road.
if you suddenly acquire the power to control nikon’s and canon’s pricing would you take a stab at making the winter days in upstate NY a little longer and less dark?
This puts lots in perspective, for anyone needing it.
Anyone still whining about it needs to re-read the third question 5 times.
If I had been shooting those 21 MP images up until now (instead of the 6 or 7 MP I have now), I would need over 920 GB of space to store the images that I’ve shot (instead of the 40GB I use now). RIght now, all of my images are stored on my laptop. For the record, I am a hobbyist, so I can actually manage to keep my images on my hard drive (well, so far).
Anyone whining about $8,000 for a camera that shoots 130+ MB raw files need to think long and hard about storage and computing power, since you would likely need to spend that much on storage devices and computer hardware to process those images fast enough to avoid pulling one’s hair out over the speed of image processing.
Hi Scott,
I like this “humor” angle you’re experimenting with. Much more fun to read than that dry and serious attitude you have in your books.
Keep up the good work!
Well done, Scott!
I just don’t understand all of the big fuss. You and Moose have hit the nail square on the head.
Here’s what kills me… All of these people arguing and fighting over an 8,000 dollar camera body, yet look what you (Scott) did with a D300 and an 18-200mm VR, which retails for under 2,500 dollars on your vacation…
I greatly appreciate your books, your blog, and your Kelby Training website!
Keep up the good work!
Is it unreasonable to think that because links are given to various Manufactures and retailers that some people think you are getting paid or receiving favors. Mentioning there names is one thing but Links? Let them sell there own soap.
To Jim D
Scott provides these links as a convenience and courtesy to us, his readers, which I feel is absolutely obvious. Never would it occur to me there was any other motive. You’ll find most enthusiasts sites do the same, regardless of genre (so to speak). That’s one of the early foundations and fundamental aspects of the web, “Hyper Text.” If someone is writing about a new “soap,” I expect not to have to google it, but rather click on a link to the “soap” being discussed.
Kind Regards,
Doug
Can we please get off this ride, 120 comments so far- there’s more interest in this camera price thing than anything that’s ever been contributed on this blog, which is pretty insulting to the author.
Everyhting’s been said-, let’s just stop commenting on this and get on to a new subject that we can learn from, like how cool yesterday’ s guest blogger Douglas Sonders was. Please?
Scott -
Another vote for just ignoring the malcontents and continuing to provide product announcements along with the other entertaining and informative posts that you provide; you’re not going to be able to please everyone and it’s your blog.
Rick
P.S. – Keep the links too. Most people know that you’re providing them so we don’t have to go hunting for the announcement ourselves, not trying to sell the product.
Personally I see a lot of similarities between Macintosh users and Nikon users. A fierce devotion to brand loyalty and an unfair expectation of products combined with extraordinary vitriol when they don’t do something the user wanted. I say this being a very longtime Mac user (since System 0.9) and a Nikon user. It’s a big plus for the companies at times but comes with consequences.
In the end I think of this: at the end of my life I won’t care at all what computer I used or what camera I used. I’ll only care about my family and my friends and my faith in Christ.
Dear Scott,
I read all the posts earlier in the week, and all the posts today. My favorite is the post by Myles: there is someone who has a great attitude, loves photography for its art and its fun, and he doesn’t feel sorry for himself that he can’t afford the “latest and greatest”. And I’d guess that he makes some great photographs. If you had a contest to pick a winner, I’d vote for this guy.
One last comment. I’ve always been struck by the generosity of the photography community. You, all your “buddies” (and there are many), and your guest bloggers: everyone who shares their knowledge, secrets, tips and tricks for making better pictures — without any expectation of compensation for that information. I know you all earn a living related to photography: selling books, DVD’s, teaching, etc. and that’s great, and well deserved. But there is a lot of “free help” you all share as well, and it is appreciated more than you know. Thanks to you all, and to everyone who shares what they know just for the love of photography.
Scott,
5 Quick Things
1. Thank you for being an awesome leader and teacher and giving your customers fantastic service.
2. Mean people suck.
4. You can’t be generous and helpful enough to make ungrateful people grateful. They are just ungrateful.
6. You can’t make everybody happy. Most people don’t expect you to make everybody happy. But most people do expect you to make THEM happy.
7. Did you have these mean commenters before you hired RC? I’m just saying.
8. Could this be part of the whole Kloskowsky/Apple/Adobe CS4/Lightroom conspiracy?
9. Is it a coincidence that Frost/Nixon opens in theaters tomorrow on the same week that Nikon releases the D3X?
5. Wait for it….. You can’t change what you can’t change and you just can’t make sense out of things and people that just don’t make sense.
blessings,
simon
Before my comment about the Nikon debate, I attended the Lightroom seminar you gave today (Dec. 4) in Los Angeles and want to say you did another outstanding job. You presented enough information to make me consider seriously whether Lightroom is right for me but not too much to make the seminar seem like a salespitch.
About all the controversy regarding the Nikon D3x product announcement, I am reminded of the “good old days” of the mid 80s on Compuserve and GEnie online services (back before the web, before the blogs and RSS feeds, and before digital photography!). Back then, online discussions sometimes turned into online debates and then online “wars,” which were often called “flamewars” because these often turned into personal attacks. Reason and civility flew out the window when one of these online battles of he said/she said broke out, including people upset about pricing.
One year, GEnie online services (owned by General Electric) introduced a “new” pricing plan that some people felt was too much, and, as predicted, flamewars erupted. It was so bad, some bozos “demanded” the pricing be lowered and, if it weren’t, they would stop buying GE light bulbs). These are the bozos who like to live in the dark, I guess.
I was a forum runner back in those days, and we used to have a saying about these bozos. We called them “energy creatures” because they used to suck all the life out of what was otherwise a fun and interesting discussion. Thus came the phrase DNFTEC — Do Not Feed The Energy Creatures.
In short, I applaud your shutting down the discussion and EDITING the blog to remove nasty personal attacks. Trust me as one who knows firsthand, there’s nothing that can destroy an otherwise successful discussion among friends and strangers who share an interest (in this case, photography) than the dreaded Energy Creature(s).
Let them boycott Nikon if they want. That’s their right. But let’s not have them poisoning the well just because they can’t drink from it.
Scott,
as my dad used to say to me when times got tough,
“Chin up, it’ll be better tomorrow”.
All the best and thanks for everything you do with this blog and your training programs,
Rich.
Scott,
I am a huge fan of you, your blog, books and training website. I am totally with you. There is a small amount of people who will actually benefit from a camera of this caliber. The file outputs are huge….and the amount of memory it will take for a normal shoot would be staggering.
There will always be those people who have to buy the biggest, baddest camera (car, motorcycle, computer, etc) no matter if they need it or not. The camera companies are benefitting from this – free enterprise! Not a day goes by that I don’t hear someone say they have to buy the latest camera because it has more megapixels; genius marketing if you ask me.
As long as consumers continue to purchase based on what a manufacturer tells them they need there will be new models at increasing price points.
On a side note. I have rarely needed more resolution than what a 10-12 megapixel camera can provide. What I am looking for is better noise control, faster frame rates, dual card slots, lightning fast auto-focus and a full frame sensor. When something like that comes out …. oh wait it already did …. the Nikon D3.
Oh, and
3. one should always have an an editor look over their written comments to keep them from looking foolish.
Go Gators!!!
You crack me up, Scott…..what a great post…..I had a smile all the way through it….
But, PLEASE, don’t give up on sending us new info. I rely on your blog too much for new news in the photography world….
Keep up the excellent work, Scott…..you are one class act.
Scotty
Jakarta, Indonesia
Simon:
I will not tolerate such blatant offenses as if I am the root of all evil comments. You shall not start yet another flamewar on my good name sir!
I shall meet you in the digital parking lot . Should you need to actually find me:
I will be the guy with 3 lightstands, 6 SB800s, three tri-grips, two 1/2 stop diffusers, a sync cord, a pack of Twix, Duct Tape, 9 AA batteries, A shower cap, and an ipod shuffle with Gipsy Kings version of “Hotel California” – all strapped to himself.. ( yeah.. im often accused of packing -light- )
Consider yourself warned.
-RC
RC
Bring it on buckaroo! I had the dinner of champions tonight. A tuna fish sandwich, 2 twinkies and a fresca.
I wasn’t blaming you for the mean comments. I was just trying to create doubt about you in Scott’s mind. Are you really helpful to Scott and the company? If not, your departure could create an opening for a talent like mine to write a little copy for the Kelby training institute,
So ya see, I wasn’t trying to hurt ya…. just steal your job. I hope that make sense and we can again live as one. This tension between us is killing me. It feels a layer mask being painted over my heart at 39% opacity. Peace!
“The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I’m just not close enough to get the job done.â€
-George Carlin
Scott – I have to tell ya, you and Moose hit it on the head.
a) quite whining and don’t buy it, that’ll show them!
b) it’s what’s using the tool that makes the difference, not the tool itself
It doesn’t take an $8K camera to do the job. Can it help? Sure, but it certainly is not the deciding factor. When we put our talent and faith in things, well – it just doesn’t have a pretty ending.
BTW, when did we all decide it was our “right” to have the best at bargain basement prices? Just curious – perhaps a sign of our time?
Keep the self interviews coming. You might end up in a mental institution after a few years but it is worth it:) Once again great blog.
Mike
Scott,
As always, great sense of humor. I regularly point my customers toward your books, and I always highlight your sense of humor and plain talk. Many of us enjoy that!
I’m a Canon user and I’m not complaining about the prices. I will complain that I’d like a D700 now but my lenses don’t translate. Any help there?
Scott,
Nice post!
Sometimes the anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in people. Illegitimi non carborundum.
Charlie
You’re a stud Scott! (I’m glad I shoot PENTAX!
You started my photog life and continue to enrich it each post/book/magazine/photoshopusertv episode etc…thanks for the integrity and humor!
That was great Scott. Ever heard of technocamography? You should check out what this guy came up with.
Hi Scott,
I have been reading your blog for years and I like all of it. One of the things I appreaciate the most is that you DO tell us about the latest gear on the market and your opinion of the item…so please don’t stop! I have come to count on your professional opinion when I consider a new purchase.
I have been a Nikon user for over 40 years and it is still the best camera in my book and like others I can’t afford the DX3; besides I agree with you, it would take up too much card and computer space. For some photographers it maybe just what they need! We live in a capatalist society so we either buy something or not. No reason for people to get nasty on your personal blog. That is just rude. Moose’s comments were wonderful and a great reminder of what is important
Keep up your Great Work. Many Thanks.
Hi Scott,
I just wanted to pass along this funny video made by Samuel Vert about the D3X pricing.
“A humorous rant about the Nikon D3X”
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10118973-39.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave
I am glad to see that you got some support from us readers of your blog.
Have a fantastic day,
Julien
guys, you have to see this video on youtube….
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tnwf2RShNV0
Long time reader, first time commenter.
This post made me laugh and snort. I would agree that one would hope there are more important things in the world then the price of a camera!
I have to say I enjoyed the way this was written and the perspective given.
Just thought a some positive feedback was warranted
and a little ps – though it is belated – really enjoyed the classes you taught at PSW as well.
i just wanna thank you for sharing your information and your site or blog this is simple but nice article I’ve ever seen i like it i learn something today…