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		<title>By: michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-205921</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey... I found my own answer...  The range and units for the Temperature and Tint controls are different when you are adjusting a non-camera raw image, such as a TIFF or JPEG image. For instance, Camera Raw provides a true-temperature adjustment slider for raw files from 2,000 Kelvin to 50,000 Kelvin. For JPEG or TIFF files, Camera Raw attempts to approximate a different color temperature or white balance, but because the original value was already used to alter the pixel data in the file, Camera Raw does not provide the true Kelvin temperature scale. In these instances an approximate scale of -100 to 100 is used in place of the temperature scale.  

So a quick trick I used before I knew this, is just to see what Scott&#039;s histogram is doing, and get as close as you can.  I redid everything using RAW images instead of JPEG and it didn&#039;t make that much difference.  

Importing his pictures into I-Photo and then sending them out into PS seemed to change them from RAW to JPEG, so I am now using them directly out of the downloaded file and they show up in Camera Raw as Raw images... although I noticed that image #3 was a jpeg file... done that way for the lesson.    There&#039;s probably an easy answer to that too, but for now I am happy it only took me three hours to figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230; I found my own answer&#8230;  The range and units for the Temperature and Tint controls are different when you are adjusting a non-camera raw image, such as a TIFF or JPEG image. For instance, Camera Raw provides a true-temperature adjustment slider for raw files from 2,000 Kelvin to 50,000 Kelvin. For JPEG or TIFF files, Camera Raw attempts to approximate a different color temperature or white balance, but because the original value was already used to alter the pixel data in the file, Camera Raw does not provide the true Kelvin temperature scale. In these instances an approximate scale of -100 to 100 is used in place of the temperature scale.  </p>
<p>So a quick trick I used before I knew this, is just to see what Scott&#8217;s histogram is doing, and get as close as you can.  I redid everything using RAW images instead of JPEG and it didn&#8217;t make that much difference.  </p>
<p>Importing his pictures into I-Photo and then sending them out into PS seemed to change them from RAW to JPEG, so I am now using them directly out of the downloaded file and they show up in Camera Raw as Raw images&#8230; although I noticed that image #3 was a jpeg file&#8230; done that way for the lesson.    There&#8217;s probably an easy answer to that too, but for now I am happy it only took me three hours to figure it out.</p>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-205804</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m loving this book... and just have one question so far... because I am using CS3 extended... I don&#039;t know why it should matter, but that&#039;s why I bought the book...  anyway!  When I&#039;m doing the first step in Camera Raw--setting the temperature... it doesn&#039;t have numbers that Scott is saying like 7100 and 5000... but it has + 4 and doesn&#039;t go over 100..  any solutions?  Anyone else with this problem?  I guess I could read the myriads of notes... and I see Dale MacKeown asked a question back in 2009... and I don&#039;t see a reply... maybe I&#039;m in the wrong place to get an answer too???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m loving this book&#8230; and just have one question so far&#8230; because I am using CS3 extended&#8230; I don&#8217;t know why it should matter, but that&#8217;s why I bought the book&#8230;  anyway!  When I&#8217;m doing the first step in Camera Raw&#8211;setting the temperature&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t have numbers that Scott is saying like 7100 and 5000&#8230; but it has + 4 and doesn&#8217;t go over 100..  any solutions?  Anyone else with this problem?  I guess I could read the myriads of notes&#8230; and I see Dale MacKeown asked a question back in 2009&#8230; and I don&#8217;t see a reply&#8230; maybe I&#8217;m in the wrong place to get an answer too???</p>
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		<title>By: Dale MacKeown</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-122503</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale MacKeown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right from the get go in Lesson 1, things don&#039;t happen the way you outline them and I can&#039;t go forward. For example, selecting the brush, the type of brush isn&#039;t listed and the brush painting, or opening up, isn&#039;t working. 

Is this the place to get answers? 

Dale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right from the get go in Lesson 1, things don&#8217;t happen the way you outline them and I can&#8217;t go forward. For example, selecting the brush, the type of brush isn&#8217;t listed and the brush painting, or opening up, isn&#8217;t working. </p>
<p>Is this the place to get answers? </p>
<p>Dale</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Fey</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-85880</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Fey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott: I have been an avid (okay obsessed) fan of your Photoshop CS3 since I got my library card back. (confiscated for unpaid overdue fines). Don&#039;t worry, I ended up purchasing your books anyway. I have to say your 7-Point system is the best. However, I have turned my back (at least for now) on Lightroom and now use Bridge, ACR and PS 3 exclusively. Why complicated an easy to understand process? 
Well, l am looking forward to one day joining NAPP, just as soon as I can convince my wife that we are not really that broke :-)
Your newest fan;
Dean Fey (at least I am on Flickr)
PS I absolutely love your &quot;The Digital Photography Books&quot; I have 4 years of formal Photography B &amp; W Art Study (University of Saskatchewan) and I think I learned more from those little books of yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott: I have been an avid (okay obsessed) fan of your Photoshop CS3 since I got my library card back. (confiscated for unpaid overdue fines). Don&#8217;t worry, I ended up purchasing your books anyway. I have to say your 7-Point system is the best. However, I have turned my back (at least for now) on Lightroom and now use Bridge, ACR and PS 3 exclusively. Why complicated an easy to understand process?<br />
Well, l am looking forward to one day joining NAPP, just as soon as I can convince my wife that we are not really that broke <img src='http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Your newest fan;<br />
Dean Fey (at least I am on Flickr)<br />
PS I absolutely love your &#8220;The Digital Photography Books&#8221; I have 4 years of formal Photography B &amp; W Art Study (University of Saskatchewan) and I think I learned more from those little books of yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Eskil Kvalnes</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-43757</link>
		<dc:creator>Eskil Kvalnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

just wanted to alert you of my situation as of now;

I&#039;m sitting in my hotel room after a 10-day holiday in NYC where I have taken about 600 photographs of various sights and &quot;tourist-y&quot; buildings, attractioncs etc., but as I look at them, I realize that I have little or no clue on what to do to process them into a beautiful photograph - like yours.

So I resort to the one place where I know I can find help, tips and guidance - the internet. Half an hour into googling, I realized that the answer was in front of me all along (in my bookmarks), so I pull up your site and scroll older entries until I came across this post and it hit me; this is exactly what I need.

Sadly, my excitement plummeted when I realized that I would not have the time to make a book-run into the city before my eight hour flight to Norway leaves tomorrow, a trip I was hoping could be spent reading your book and trying to process my photographs into something &quot;more&quot;.

Google (Maps) to the rescue, again; find bookstores near Newark International Airport, Border&#039;s Books inside the airport, check store site for book search, find &quot;Kelby&quot; - I swear, it was like the light in my room dimmed when the results returned. They had it! So tomorrow morning I&#039;ll be heading into Terminal C, Gate 102 at EWR and hopefully they&#039;ll have the book in stock and my flight back home will be so much more educational and fun than just watching old episodes and movies on the 7&quot; headrest monitor.

Sorry for the rant, hopefully you (or your comment system) won&#039;t mind. And hopefully I&#039;ll learn a thing - or 7! - from your book! If I&#039;m really lucky, they&#039;ll have wireless internet at the airport and I&#039;ll be able to download the photographs used in the book. Cross your fingers for all of the above.

The reason I&#039;m writing this is simply because I&#039;m so excited about it and I thought this perhaps could be a nice story for Scott Kelby to have and hopefully he&#039;ll have a good feeling this weekend because of it. Praise and appreciation is always good, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>just wanted to alert you of my situation as of now;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sitting in my hotel room after a 10-day holiday in NYC where I have taken about 600 photographs of various sights and &#8220;tourist-y&#8221; buildings, attractioncs etc., but as I look at them, I realize that I have little or no clue on what to do to process them into a beautiful photograph &#8211; like yours.</p>
<p>So I resort to the one place where I know I can find help, tips and guidance &#8211; the internet. Half an hour into googling, I realized that the answer was in front of me all along (in my bookmarks), so I pull up your site and scroll older entries until I came across this post and it hit me; this is exactly what I need.</p>
<p>Sadly, my excitement plummeted when I realized that I would not have the time to make a book-run into the city before my eight hour flight to Norway leaves tomorrow, a trip I was hoping could be spent reading your book and trying to process my photographs into something &#8220;more&#8221;.</p>
<p>Google (Maps) to the rescue, again; find bookstores near Newark International Airport, Border&#8217;s Books inside the airport, check store site for book search, find &#8220;Kelby&#8221; &#8211; I swear, it was like the light in my room dimmed when the results returned. They had it! So tomorrow morning I&#8217;ll be heading into Terminal C, Gate 102 at EWR and hopefully they&#8217;ll have the book in stock and my flight back home will be so much more educational and fun than just watching old episodes and movies on the 7&#8243; headrest monitor.</p>
<p>Sorry for the rant, hopefully you (or your comment system) won&#8217;t mind. And hopefully I&#8217;ll learn a thing &#8211; or 7! &#8211; from your book! If I&#8217;m really lucky, they&#8217;ll have wireless internet at the airport and I&#8217;ll be able to download the photographs used in the book. Cross your fingers for all of the above.</p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m writing this is simply because I&#8217;m so excited about it and I thought this perhaps could be a nice story for Scott Kelby to have and hopefully he&#8217;ll have a good feeling this weekend because of it. Praise and appreciation is always good, no?</p>
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		<title>By: John Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-42375</link>
		<dc:creator>John Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, not sure if anybody&#039;s come across this issue before but when I drag my LR-edited RAW file onto my CS3 icon it opens up in ACR as expected (I&#039;m running a Mac). Holding down the shift key allows me to &#039;open object&#039; but once the image is in CS3 I have problems.

The thumbnail in the layers palette is showing me the smart object curled page icon but the background to this is plain white. If I try and edit the smart object I get the following error:

&#039;Could not edit original smart object because the disk is not available&#039;

I&#039;m running everything on a local machine so can&#039;t really make much sense of the error.

Any advice greatfully received</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, not sure if anybody&#8217;s come across this issue before but when I drag my LR-edited RAW file onto my CS3 icon it opens up in ACR as expected (I&#8217;m running a Mac). Holding down the shift key allows me to &#8216;open object&#8217; but once the image is in CS3 I have problems.</p>
<p>The thumbnail in the layers palette is showing me the smart object curled page icon but the background to this is plain white. If I try and edit the smart object I get the following error:</p>
<p>&#8216;Could not edit original smart object because the disk is not available&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m running everything on a local machine so can&#8217;t really make much sense of the error.</p>
<p>Any advice greatfully received</p>
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		<title>By: Don Vine</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-41492</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Vine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for using lightroom and smart objects.

Why can&#039;t you simply load a virtual copy of the image you have used for the lightroom portion of the points into PSCS3, then convert it to a smart object after it has been loaded. Then save it back to LR when finished. Then make another virtual copy if needed back in PS3?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for using lightroom and smart objects.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t you simply load a virtual copy of the image you have used for the lightroom portion of the points into PSCS3, then convert it to a smart object after it has been loaded. Then save it back to LR when finished. Then make another virtual copy if needed back in PS3?</p>
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		<title>By: Howto: Create Higher Dynamic Range With Bracketed Exposures at CameraPorn</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-32407</link>
		<dc:creator>Howto: Create Higher Dynamic Range With Bracketed Exposures at CameraPorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a great method that I picked up from a variety of sources including Scott Kelby&#8217;s 7-Point System book as well as Brian Auer&#8217;s Epic Edits. For full details, click on Brian&#8217;s link, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is a great method that I picked up from a variety of sources including Scott Kelby&#8217;s 7-Point System book as well as Brian Auer&#8217;s Epic Edits. For full details, click on Brian&#8217;s link, but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Levesque</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-30419</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Levesque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Scott,
I have made terrific use of your seven points book and thank you for developing such a consistent workflow.

Lately, I have been re-working my old black and white negatives and was wondering if you have any suggestions/tips/workflow for enhancing these in photoshop, camera raw, lightroom, etc?

Thanks
Roger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Scott,<br />
I have made terrific use of your seven points book and thank you for developing such a consistent workflow.</p>
<p>Lately, I have been re-working my old black and white negatives and was wondering if you have any suggestions/tips/workflow for enhancing these in photoshop, camera raw, lightroom, etc?</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Roger</p>
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		<title>By: Kelley Lynch</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-29748</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelley Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott,

CS2 for Digital Photographers improved my photos tremendously. Looking abck at my old photos it is like a dirty film clung to them...that is now gone. The best trick for me was your section &#039;Color correcting Digital Camera Images&#039; in Ch 6. It erased the dirty film and revealed much better color. 

One question, though. In that chapter you give target color numbers for RGB output and for CMYK output. I am a print designer so, of course, use the latter. I recently produced two books back to back. On the first one I used the RGB targets by accident and thought I was doomed when I discovered what I had done a few days before it went to press. I changed the presets to the CMYK targets for the next book. In looking at the two later side by side, I felt the better targets actually turned out to be the RGB ones--or maybe my adding a sharper contrast curve to them helped a lot. In any case, the colors were more saturated, the blacks much richer. The photos had more &#039;pop&#039;. And both were printed on the same press one after the other. 

I have just bought your &#039;7 point&#039; book and noticed in one of the early lessons-#2 I think--you have different RGB targets--for (inkjet) color printers. I wondered what targets you recommend for CMYK now--and what you use yourself. Your photographs look great in the book. Rich, saturated, clean...what more can you want--at least on the printing side?

Thanks
Kelley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott,</p>
<p>CS2 for Digital Photographers improved my photos tremendously. Looking abck at my old photos it is like a dirty film clung to them&#8230;that is now gone. The best trick for me was your section &#8216;Color correcting Digital Camera Images&#8217; in Ch 6. It erased the dirty film and revealed much better color. </p>
<p>One question, though. In that chapter you give target color numbers for RGB output and for CMYK output. I am a print designer so, of course, use the latter. I recently produced two books back to back. On the first one I used the RGB targets by accident and thought I was doomed when I discovered what I had done a few days before it went to press. I changed the presets to the CMYK targets for the next book. In looking at the two later side by side, I felt the better targets actually turned out to be the RGB ones&#8211;or maybe my adding a sharper contrast curve to them helped a lot. In any case, the colors were more saturated, the blacks much richer. The photos had more &#8216;pop&#8217;. And both were printed on the same press one after the other. </p>
<p>I have just bought your &#8216;7 point&#8217; book and noticed in one of the early lessons-#2 I think&#8211;you have different RGB targets&#8211;for (inkjet) color printers. I wondered what targets you recommend for CMYK now&#8211;and what you use yourself. Your photographs look great in the book. Rich, saturated, clean&#8230;what more can you want&#8211;at least on the printing side?</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Kelley</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Webb</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-29611</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

Just a couple more observations as I continue my lessons: 

1.  At lesson 3, step 5 it was necessary for me to incrrease the Recovery to 93 (rather than the 5 you were able to use) before all clipping was eliminated.  (I do calibrate my monitor weekly.)

2.  The NEF for lesson 7 opens in Camera Raw with significant adjustments already made.  It is easy enough to reset everything to agree with step 1 of the book but just wanted to let you know.  (I am using the image from the download of files for just Lessons 1-7.)

Thanks,
Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>Just a couple more observations as I continue my lessons: </p>
<p>1.  At lesson 3, step 5 it was necessary for me to incrrease the Recovery to 93 (rather than the 5 you were able to use) before all clipping was eliminated.  (I do calibrate my monitor weekly.)</p>
<p>2.  The NEF for lesson 7 opens in Camera Raw with significant adjustments already made.  It is easy enough to reset everything to agree with step 1 of the book but just wanted to let you know.  (I am using the image from the download of files for just Lessons 1-7.)</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/906/comment-page-1#comment-29516</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the several Lightroom workarounds suggested I think Chris Lewis&#039; takes first prize for simplicity and fewest steps involved. Just drag the RAW photo (doesn&#039;t work with JPEGs) from the LR filmstrip into Photoshop and it automatically opens in Camera Raw. What a great tip! Note that your LR adjustments will NOT be recognized by CR. At least mine weren&#039;t. So it seems we have to begin the 7 Point System in CR. Not ideal for a LR user, but still preferable to the added steps of saving metadata to a file and copying files to a new location or managing dual copies of the same photo in LR as others have suggested. Until Adobe updates LR to include support for Smart Objects (I have submitted an enhancement request to a Product Manager/friend of mine at Adobe), Chris&#039; solution is probably the best option.

Many thanks also to Scott for addressing this issue and for hosting an interactive blog where we can not only get useful info from the master himself, but also on occasion from those of us who read his daily entries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the several Lightroom workarounds suggested I think Chris Lewis&#8217; takes first prize for simplicity and fewest steps involved. Just drag the RAW photo (doesn&#8217;t work with JPEGs) from the LR filmstrip into Photoshop and it automatically opens in Camera Raw. What a great tip! Note that your LR adjustments will NOT be recognized by CR. At least mine weren&#8217;t. So it seems we have to begin the 7 Point System in CR. Not ideal for a LR user, but still preferable to the added steps of saving metadata to a file and copying files to a new location or managing dual copies of the same photo in LR as others have suggested. Until Adobe updates LR to include support for Smart Objects (I have submitted an enhancement request to a Product Manager/friend of mine at Adobe), Chris&#8217; solution is probably the best option.</p>
<p>Many thanks also to Scott for addressing this issue and for hosting an interactive blog where we can not only get useful info from the master himself, but also on occasion from those of us who read his daily entries.</p>
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