What I’d Love to See in Lightroom 2.0

This past year I’ve spent a lot of time immersed in learning, using, and teaching Adobe Photoshop Lightroom. I traveled around the country with my Lightroom Live Tour and trained literally thousands of Lightroom users in person. Between that tour, my Lightroom hands-on workshops, the magazine, and hearing from readers of my Lightroom Book for Digital Photographers, I’ve gotten more real world, down in the trenches, tell-it-like-it-is feedback of what photographers want to see next in Lightroom than you can imagine.
I love Lightroom—it’s changed my digital workflow forever, and because it’s so important to me (and to so many people I’ve trained this year), I wanted to share the comments and ideas I heard most—including those most-asked-for features and enhancements.
I know Adobe gets a lot of input from high-end power users of Lightroom, but I also want to make sure that they hear from the working wedding photographers from Cincinnati, and the Senior Photographers from Jacksonville, the landscape photographers from Boulder, and the Portrait Photographers from Atlanta who are dealing with a different set of challenges in their daily work. I hear from these folks all the time (these are “my people”), and today I’m carrying their message forward, along with my own “wishlist” of ideas for things I’d love to see included in Lightroom 2.0 as well.
The first batch are the ones people asked me about again and again during my Lightroom Live Tour, so I’ll start with those first, then I’ll go module by module for the rest, so here goes:
THE BIGGIES
- NETWORKING: We’ need (need!) the ability to have multiple users access the same Lightroom library across a network. This is big. Biggity-big.
- PHOTO BOOKS: How about the ability to create printed photo books (like those found in Photoshop Elements and Apple’s iPhoto and Aperture)? Also, we’d love it if Adobe hired some big-time design firm to create some really professional looking sets of templates for wedding albums, portfolios, coffee table book layouts, proof books, etc.. That would take it to the next level. (Personal admission: I process all my images in Lightroom, export them as JPEGs, import then into Apple’s Aperture, and then I use Aperture’s built-in book templates and printing service to print my photo books. Hey, what can I say—-Lightroom doesn’t have a books feature, and Aperture’s book feature rocks).
- THE JPEG PROCESSED LOOK: When a Raw photo appears in Lightroom, it first displays the same low resolution JPEG preview image you see on the back of your camera’s LCD. After a few seconds that image changes as Lightroom renders the real unprocessed Raw image file. I get asked this again and again and again during my tour: Is there a way to get that JPEG preview look applied to their image (they love that look because it’s been color processed, tweaked, and sharpened by the software in their camera), but they (their words—not mine), often don’t like the way their photo looks after Lightroom renders it (that’s because they’re now seeing the unprocessed raw image). What they want is a way to get the exact same look as that JPEG preview applied to their raw photo as a starting point. I don’t know how Adobe would pull that off, but if they could, it would make an awful lot of people happy (basically, they want their raw photo to be auto processed to match what the camera would have done if they had shot in JPEG rather than Raw). I want this one for them.
- OPEN AS SMART OBJECTS: We want the ability to open a Lightroom file in Photoshop CS3 as a Smart Object.
- SHOOTING TETHERED: We’d love to be to shoot tethered directly from the camera straight into Lightroom without having to use a separate third-party application.
LIBRARY MODULE
- I’d love to see the Stacking feature (which is now only available in the Folders panel), available within Collections. It’s a great Lightroom 1.0 feature that I never get to use because it only works in Folders.
- I’d like to see the Keywording consolidated into one single panel, instead of two panels on either side of the screen.
- If they’re going to keep the Quick Develop panel, at least make it usable by getting rid of the barely usable one-click buttons, and give us sliders. It’s like Adobe gave us those annoying one-click buttons to discourage us from using Quick Develop (it worked; I don’t use it, and most of the folks I’ve talked with don’t either for that very same reason). If we had sliders, it might keep us from having to switch back and forth between the Library and the Develop Module so often. Want to really take it up a notch? Not only give me sliders in Quick Develop, let me pick which ones I want to appear in the Quick Develop panel.
- I’d like to be able to hide panels I never use, and then combine panels (kind of like you combine palettes in Photoshop). That way, I could put all the panels I really use together on one side of Lightroom, and keep the other side hidden all the time. That way, I’d always have a much larger preview area, but still have access to all the panels I need.
- I would like to see Adobe change the keyboard shortcuts for switching modules to the first letter of each module. For example, you should be able to press P for the Print module, W for Web, and so on (Yes, they’d have to come up with a new shortcut for Lights Out mode so people can jump to the Library Module by pressing L).
- I’d like a Loupe feature like Apple’s Aperture, but not anything like the one in Adobe Bridge (Yeech!).
- I want a Light Table feature (like Aperture’s but better) where you can manually arrange your images. I know it’s not a terribly efficient way to sort photos, but it is terribly fun.
- When you’re in the Loupe view, and select another photo, it should automatically put you in Survey mode. (By the way, Survey mode is a lame name. Hey, I’m just sayin’).
- I’d like an easy way to not just edit, but delete Metadata presets from right within Lightroom.
- I want to be able to change the name of any image in the Library by just double-clicking on its name (you can do that in the Bridge—why not in Lightroom’s Library?).
- When you go to Export a file, and you choose to have the Copyright Watermark visible, you should be able to choose the size of the copyright text.
- I want a big Reset button in the Library module (just like the one in the Develop module), and I also want it in the exact same place (while I’m being picky).
DEVELOP MODULE
- I want Noise Reduction that’s good enough to make me not have to jump over to Photoshop to run a third party noise reduction plug-in like Noise Ninja, Define, or Noiseware).
- I would like a Duotone/tritone/quadtone panel with some great built-in presets (so we don’t have to fake it using Split Toning).
- I want the option of using a regular Healing Brush for spots/specs that works like a regular brush.
- I’d like to be able to choose the color for my Clipping Warnings. With some photos it’s hard to see the red warning .
- I want to be able to toggle through the different White Balance presets and see image update as I highlight each one (using the up/down arrow keys on my keyboard).
- I’d like to have Sharpening Presets that I can apply from right within the Detail Panel itself, so I don’t have to leave the right side panels (where I’m making my manual adjustments) to apply a simple sharpening preset. I know, it’s a little thing.
SLIDESHOW MODULE
- My pet peeve is that if you’re showing a client a slideshow, they will see the first image of your slideshow on screen before the slideshow even starts. That stinks, since their first impression of your work will be a small version of the photo, with no music, surrounded by Lightroom’s interface. I would like to have a blackout mode, where all that is visible on screen is a play button—center screen. That way, when your client sits down to watch a slideshow, the don’t see anything until the slideshow actually begins. No visible filmstrip, other photos, or panels–just a black screen, and a play button. That would be sweet.
- There should be an option to start each slideshow by fading in from black. Even iPhoto does that.
- The music should automatically fade out at the end of a slideshow. Again, iPhoto does this automatically. You should also have a music loop on/off option.
- I’d like a built-in Ken Burn’s-like Pan & Zoom effect, and some nice transitions (Elements has something like this—can’t we have it, too?).
- In my “shooting for the moon” category of slideshow requests, it would be incredible to be able to set it up so your images could display in sync with the music. Yes, you would have to do this manually, by listening to the music and adding markers where the next slide should play, but it would be wonderful, and would let you create dramatic slide presentations that really made the most of the music. I saw a presentation where the photographer was showing his pro football porfolio, and he used the theme music to ABC Monday Night Football (not the Hank Williams Jr. opener—the main theme), and when it went, “Bom, bom, bom, bommmmm” four images appeared—one on each beat, and it was very dramatic. I want that. I know there’s no way in heck I’m going to get it, but hey—I said it was my “shooting for the moon” request.
- We need to be able to import and place more graphics on the slide (like logos, water mark graphics, etc.). More than just the one graphic we get to use as an Identity Plate.
- I want the ability to put a stroke around just the photos I choose, instead of applying to every photo or no photos.
- Adobe—I’m begging you—let us export our slideshows as a QuickTime or Window WMV files, and we MUST be able to include music with them. I’m begging, here. So are thousands of other users who are forced to switch to 3rd party apps like Apple’s iPhoto when it comes time to make a slideshow.
- Slideshows where you have two images side-by-side are all the rage right now, but to do one in Lightroom, you’d have to go to Photoshop first and manually combine the two photos into one document and import them one-by-one back into Lightroom and that “Just ain’t right.” Let us put more than one photo on each slide (at the very least, give us a side-by-side slideshow feature), but ideally we should be able to have more images on the same slide, like we do in the print module.
- The ability to create a simple title screen for slideshows should be built right in, and a tracking feature (to tighten or increase the space between letters) should be included for sure.
- We need a “Fit Slideshow to Music Length” option (like iPhoto).
- There needs to be an option that burns your slideshow to direct to DVD (like iPhoto). I know, I keep comparing the slideshow module to a iPhoto, but come on—can’t we beat iPhoto? (it’s consumer software for goodness sakes!) Lightroom is a professional application—my little nephew shouldn’t be able to use the free software that came with his iMac (iPhoto) and make a more professional-looking slideshow than my application designed from the ground up for for professional photographers. That just ain’t right, but at this point, that’s the way it is. I can only hope.
PRINT MODULE
- I desperately want the ability to create non-uniform cells. By that, I mean I’d like to have three images across, the first being square, the center photo being a wide rectangle, and the third being another square. As it is, I’d have to have three perfect squares, or three identical rectangles.
- I want a separate watermarking feature, with opacity control or ideally a “blind emboss” option that is totally separate from the identity Plate feature.
- I want to be able to change the background color of my prints, so if I want a black background behind my photos, I just choose black.
- I want the ability to add more graphics to the page, or at the very least have multiple Identity plates.
- I want the built-in ability to add a matt (or something that looks like a matt).
- I want the built-in ability to add edge effects (without having to resort to a clunky Identity Plate workaround).
- I want the ability to export custom print templates I’ve designed as PDFs or PSDs (with the photos embedded—ready to print). I get asked this numerous times at every stop on my Lightroom tour.
- We need a better way to make Wedding templates for wedding albums. Creating the look that’s popular now in wedding album design (lots of backscreening, tints, cutouts, mixing color and black and white images on the same page, edge effects, paragraphs of poems or the invitation text or wedding vow text, etc.) almost requires that you go to Photoshop and create it all manually. We need an automated layout function (like the half dozen or so stand-alone apps I just saw at Imaging USA), then we need to be able to save these out as PDFs or PSDs, and then ideally upload them directly from Lightroom to the wedding album printing company.
WEB MODULE
- I would love a Flash-based client proofing gallery template that puts a number beside the pictures (like the default HTML template), but I also need two more things: (1) the ability to add a custom watermark across each image, and (2) Approval checkboxes so clients can choose the images they want and then hit the Send button, and it sends me just those numbers, and any additional comments from my client.
- I want to be able to add a caption, or change the name, of any individual photos right there on screen, without going back to the Library module and Metadata panel.
- I would like the ability to add multiple galleries to a home page and also separate customizable inside pages like an about page, a contact page, etc..
STUFF I MISSED THE FIRST TIME AROUND
Here’s a few I missed in my initial posting this morning, but when I saw your comments I knew they needed to be there, too.
- Dual Monitor Support (I can’t believe I forgot this one, as it was one of the very things I went searching for when the first Beta version was released. Good catch!).
- Softproofing. (I know, I can’t believe I forgot that one either).
- Perspective corrections (this is something we’d have to jump over to Photoshop for, and having it built-in to Lightroom would save us the trip).
- Built-in HDR, but more full-featured than the one in Photoshop CS3. (This one’s for Ben and Barney). It would rock.
- A Browse Feature, where you can look without importing (like the Bridge allows). I hadn’t thought of this one at all, but now that I see it listed—I want it.
- I also like the Archiving to DVD on import idea a lot. Now I want it, too.
- Another I hadn’t thought of, but really like, is adding the option of having a checkbox on Web galleries that would enable the viewer to download a high-res version of the Web thumbnail or preview-size image they’re seeing.
- How ’bout that tweak of having the Vignette readjust when you crop a photo. It’s a little big thing.
- Changing Catalogs without having to restart. I can’t believe I forgot this one either. Thanks for the reminder.
Well, that’s pretty much it. Now, I don’t want you to get too excited, because I don’t have a very good track record of getting anything added to Lightroom (or Photoshop for that matter), so if one or more of these ideas got you jumping up and down, I have no way of knowing if it’s in Adobe’s plans or not (at least at this point), so our only hope is to let Adobe know that’s what you want.
Yell it from the rooftops, because this early in the game we just might have a chance of getting something added, but you’ve got to yell it really loud. Post your favorite ideas here in the comments section and I’ll make sure the Lightroom Product Managers know it’s there (I’ll do yelling for you), and if there’s enough umph behind your plea—hey….ya just never know.











My wishes:
1) Export function that allows you to constrain the size of the file output
2) Make books like in iPhoto or Aperture. Maybe a plug-in for Blurb.com
3) Red-eye that works. I can never seem to get it to do my bidding. I always have to go to PS CS3 for that.
Thanks for the place to express our thoughts.
I would like to see a DOF calculator/display and the display of the active AF - point. The data needed (distance, lens, camera sensor size) is (at least for Canon) already there, why not show the resulting DOF ?
Thanks,
Scott now that 2.0 Beta has been out for a bit. How about an assessment against your wish list. As a participant in the forum, it would be nice to see your assesment of what they got right.
In picture package, allow us to place diffent images in the grid. It would save me a ton of paper..! For example, i have to print today a 24×48″ piece, and some 16×20″ pieces. Wouldn’t in be great to print then side by side on the 44″ roll? Yes in deed. This is what a rip does. Would be great for this photographers printing. Tom
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The printing in Lightroom is great. What’s really missing is the ability to do soft proofing like you can in Photoshop. Sometimes this is the only reason I go to Photoshop at all.
Ed Weaver
Nice list coming up here. There’s one thing driving me nuts: although Lightroom is loaded with UI settings (some peculiar ones) there is no way to get rid of the thin border around the image in “lights out” mode, at least I have not found it. If there is, someone please tell me how. Otherwise, Adobe, please make the border optional.
Here’s one thing that would absolutely rock… A PRESET GALLERY. Since Lightroom generates Preset previews instantaneously, it should have no problems generating a whole set of thumbnails from all available presets (or from presets from a certain folder). Then it could let me pick a single preset or – make virtual copies of several presets. This would save tons of time as the first thing I often do in the Develop module is hover my mouse over most of my presets, trying to find a lucky match.
Hi.
First, I want to express my appreciation of your books of which I have several and expect in time to buy more.
Second, I want to ask if you have considered writing some books on any of :-
1. DxO Optics Pro with Lightroom &/or CS3.
2. HDR &/or panorama photography with Photomatrix &/or CS3
3. Photoshop plug-ins in general
Perhaps you already have writen on these,if so please tell me where.
Regards
NRHeath
Something very infuriating is happening with Lightroom, and I am sure that I am not the only one running into this.
In a nutshell, if you edit an image in LR, even using the sRGB color space, the image will not look anywhere near as good when viewed on a browser like Firefox or Internet Explorer, especially with regard to color quality and saturation.
In other words, if you shoot in sRGB, edit in sRGB, and export in sRGB … the image will look great in LR, will look great in Safari, will look great in iPhoto, will look great in Preview … but will dramatically diminish in color quality if viewed in Firefox or Internet Explorer.
If I set my color space to “Monitor RGB - iMac” in PhotoShop, then I get exactly what I see on-screen if I export a JPG and view it in web browsers or any other software.
This makes sense, because I guess I’m telling it, “Use the same color
space that my monitor uses.” So if I do my Photoshop work in
that color space, my exported JPG’s will look like they did to my eye
when I created them.
The first catch: LightRoom has no such option. It only has:
sRGB
Prophoto
Adobe RGB
The closest of those is sRGB, but we’ve seen how that loses saturation
and warmth when exported, compared to the monitor. So as far as I can
tell, there is no way to adjust something in LR and have it come out
looking in a web browser like it does on-screen during editing. This
is infuriating.
The second catch: If I did my work in Monitor RGB, and then later
wanted to make a print of the image, I may have sacrified some of the
potential quality by working in Monitor RGB which has less color range
apparently than Adobe or Prophoto. I could still convert it to one
of those and make a nice print (I’m assuming), but perhaps not quite
as nice as I could have made if I worked in one of those modes all
along. On the other hand, if I worked in one of those modes, my web
JPG’s would suck and that’s what I do with 99% of my images. But this
is a minor issue for me compared to the other.
I’m starting to conclude: There is no way to work on an image that is
destined for both web and print without basically doing the work
twice. Once adjusted for the web, and once adjusted for print.
And if I am working on an image for the web, I can get a very accurate
appearance in PhotoShop by using the Monitor color space. But in LR I
have no way of doing that. That’s the kicker. The best I can do in LR
is sRGB, then export to PhotoShop and adjust it some more until I get
the look I want. Which kind of defeats the purpose of being able to
do all this editing in LR!
I would love to hear from anyone who has an idea for how to fix this, or would love for Scott to work his magic with Adobe and get them to release an update that corrects this problem.
- Networking; YES! to have all my photos n a server, or networked storage device; like Buffalo’s 2 TB network stations) and to have my assistant working on one project while I work on another. Now that’s efficiency.
- Softproofing: most definitely! Proof for web, for printer driver. The ability is there, they just need to program that hookup. Photoshop does it pretty easily. The engine’s built.
- Books: you’d think the creators of packages, Adobe, would have done this. Photoelements 2 had it, as a separate app. Just get that team into the LR3 team. Though, lets also make this module NOT load with LR. Have it be a button to call out to. Because think of it… you’re loading all those templates. Which BTW… lets do with the Web module. Have it load that stuff when we need it. Not into memory upon opening.
- Noise reduction; I’m blown away that 2.0 vers. really doesn’t approach it that great still. Must be a 3rd party contract deal that they have to work around.
- Light table: yes, I do say I miss the old slide days. Where I’d move my images to the top row which was my ‘picks’ and I can really compare better the 2nd, 3rd, 4th variables. We’re visual people, it works better for us that way.
- Shooting tethered: I’ve said in my life… Why would I need to shoot tethered? Then I had a restaurant client where we were shooting over 200 food shots. I had two sets going and that’s when I said. BOY, sure would be cool to be able to be tethered. YES! This should be a feature. Or at least a downloadable update…. It can’t be that difficult to do.
- Keyboard shortcuts change: how about the ability to change all the shortcuts. Or hey, edit your own sets. That’s possible!
- Place able graphics: would be nice to have it like an object that can be moved and them you ‘commit’ to it when processed. Multiple objects would be awesome but, if not possible, I make my object in PS and then have it available to LR.
Slideshow options:
Yes to everything. How about a simple timeline too. Something that every marker is the next photo and we can move that marker to the timing we want. Pull it from Premiere Elements, the cheap video app. That would solve 80% of everyone’s needs.
- That’s my wish and agreement. It’s geting there. Maybe LR2.5 will help us all.
LR 2 is an awesome Beta application. I love it! Hate it (see my blog: http://blog.lifeimagesproductions.com/ ).
After spending 3 days pulling my hair out (with LR2 crashing, hanging system) going through tech support, forums, Q&A with many other photographers. I finally figured out the problem (again see my blog).
So, my question is. Is 2.0 worth paying for Beta software still? I say for the pros out there. Stick with 1.4 and wait for 2.1 update.
-jeff
hi scott i would like to know something. I bought photoshop cs2 2 years back a licensed version in india through a authoroised distributor when the distributor installed it i did not have an e mail id so he registered it in his e mail instead. will this create a problem for me.
Sorry if this has already been discussed or is already in V2:
CMYK support for the library - I do a lot of conversions for clients and would really like to have them in the library.
3F / Hasselblad file support - I’d also like to be able to find these in the library and convert to DNG thru Lightroom
for the “Edit In” feature, I shoot in RAW, and I use Capture One 4.0 for my conversions. At present, it only allows “edit in” for TIFs of JPGs. I cannot move to a RAW converter for a RAW conversion outside of Lightroom 2.0
I’m with you buddy..
AWESOME ideas…
Fingers crossed they come through..
As to all your requests for the Slideshow, its in the ProShow Plugin for Lightroom. I use Proshow Producer on the PC and it rocks slideshows. Check it out I think you will be impressed.
There are too many posts for me to check if someone already said this, but … your wish list is the exact anecdotal evidence that Adobe needs to continue selling Photoshop as the needed complementary software to Lightroom. As a former film and now digital photographer, I hope Adobe listens to folks like you and us who want and deserve more well-rounded software solutions. I know wish lists will never end as we will continue to find things we want our software to do, but when you pay a substantial sum for software, you expect a more comprehensive solution.
I would love to see you make a lightroom dvd
please
respectfully Lynn Parpard