It’s “Guest Blog Wednesday” featuring Trey Ratcliff!
Being an artist sucks. Being an artist is awesome.
Trey’s new book “A World in HDR” has just been released. Besides a practical tutorial on HDR, there is ample discussion on new ways to look at art and the internet. This experiment started a number of years ago when he first got started sharing his HDR Tutorial. Below is an extended exposition on some of these thoughts. Send him your thoughts on Twitter at @TreyRatcliff .
How have we all gotten ourselves into this situation? What is going on with being an artist on the Internet anyway?
Let’s face it. There are multiple people that live inside of us. One of us cares what other people think. One of us could care less what other people think. One of us really wants to make money. One of us really does it for the art.
I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s, when having “multiple personalities” was seen as something horrible and possibly dangerous. We all know one of Sybil’s personalities was a bloodthirsty murderer, and if we couldn’t control them, what could we possibly do when we have the occasional dire thought?
I’m here to talk about all these personalities and why the cacophony can be an incredible source of inspiration and drive.
Just Find Some Beauty
I’ll start this article by telling you the important conclusion: root out the beauty from the chaos. Throughout this treatise, I’ll sprinkle in pretty images I’ve taken over the years. Despite all the psychological delving herein, it’s nice to be reminded that beauty exists. Some of you may know that I am heavily influenced by the Impressionists of the late 19th century, and in particular by Auguste Renoir, who said, “To my mind a picture should be something pleasant, cheerful and pretty. Yes, pretty! There are too many unpleasant things in life as it is without creating still more of them.”

Farewell India – The Taj Mahal
Why do we care what other people think?
Aren’t we independent thinkers? Do we really care if “ImagesOfExtraPixels” in Wisconsin sees our photo on Flickr and gives it a little star? Are we that hungry for affirmation? Maybe.
I think of that show “The Bachelor.” Maybe you have seen it. Let me describe a common scene. There is inevitably a “selection” process in which the man hands out roses to a line of women. If a woman does not get a rose, she gets into a limo and is driven off. A camera is on her. She balls hysterically because the man did not choose her. I am always flabbergasted by this scene.
“Who are these women?” I ask incredulously to the wind. “Who are these women who define themselves by what a man thinks of them? What’s wrong with them? Where’s their backbone?” Then after shouting crazily into empty air, I go check Flickr to see if people saw my latest upload and how many comments it got.
Conterminously, within me, there is a violent person that could care less what other people think. I’m going to do what I want to do anyway. They’d better like it! If they don’t like it, there must be something wrong with them! Oh yeah, you don’t like HDR because it’s not realistic? Right… But you do like black and white, right? Oh, that’s realistic. The world is all black and white and grey after all.

The River Runs Through the Andes
How can both of these people exist inside of us? How can they co-exist? Do they just follow their modus operandi independently, like two angry lovers silently sitting beside one another on a long drive at night?
I contend that it is okay to have both of these personalities playfully fighting with one another. Ultimately, the personality that doesn’t care what other people think should win. This is really the only way to keep your art unique, uncompromised, and wonderfully yours.
Look at what other people say, and especially pay attention to constructive criticism. The true well-balanced artist can take this into consideration in the future while still remaining independent. Surround yourself with trusted and honest friends, whether they be on the internet or in person. You can both stay independent and at the center of critical examination while maintaining a delicate balance on your psyche.
Being an artist on the Internet
I believe that everything evolves, including the economy. Capitalism is great, and free markets have done more to create wealth for billions of people than any other system. However, I don’t believe that capitalism is last step in evolution, and we are moving just beyond it now.
I believe the new currency is “attention”. It is a second currency that coexists with dollar, euros, and yen. If any of you are gamers, you might be familiar at playing in worlds with two currency systems, and our real world is increasing becoming like this game.
In capitalism, wealth can be “created” from nothing. I believe the same is true of attention in the evolving economy. We have all changed as people. Our lives are now hyper-organized because of computers, and we have a lot more attention to give! A few years ago, it was impossible to imagine life without web browsers. Now, it’s impossible to imagine life without tabs in browsers! Just like the mind, we can have several threads going at once. Our tools enable us to have 10x the attention as 10 years ago.
We get bored so easily, and the internet is helping to stimulate us when we need it. I get tremendous inspiration from other photographers (you!) and artists on the net. Often times, I just need 10 or 15 minutes of looking at pretty things and inspirational art to give me a little kick. I imagine you are much the same.
I noticed a problem. I would go look at one of my photos on Flickr and it might have something like 5,000 views. And then I would go look at one of my friend’s photos, which was just as good, and he would have about 49 views. And it’s not just him. I can go look at hundreds of other photos that I feel are very very good, and they only have a smattering of views. That’s not right.
The problem is not with the photos – it is with the “attention distribution engines” of the internet. What are those? Well, they don’t exist! Flickr is cool, but it’s really not a great tool for finding new artists and seeing their work.
So, to help HDR artists get more attention, I started HDRspotting.com with a friend to be the first of these “attention distribution engines.” We are still in beta and invite codes are going out. But the purpose of the site is to increase the total amount of attention and drive traffic to the respective artists’ blogs, portfolios, or other websites. So far, people are getting more than 10x their Flickr views. Wonderful!
Even though HDRspotting.com is primarily for the HDR niche, the engine behind it can be used to increase attention and work across any medium of art. The hierarchical nested websites like Flickr and DeviantArt, to me, are an increasingly “old” way of sharing and promoting art.
Regarding the first part of this article, I think this is a great step forward. In the end, we photographers just want people to see our stuff! We do like sharing. You just want to know that you exist. And you do!
As the internet evolves around the new system of attention-currency, I think that artists are going to rule the Internet. The general public craves eye-candy. We make it. The engines are being built now to turn the internet into a giant candy store so that people can get what they want, when they want it.
Getting Popular on the Internet
I get this question a lot when I speak to groups – particularly to college students. It’s a good question, although not necessarily asked in the right spirit.
So, how does one use Twitter and Facebook and Social Media and all that Happy Horsecrap to get popular anyway?
Well, here is the answer that I give. It’s counter-intuitive. Read books about anthropology, genetics, physics, biology, and other historical analysis of how science re-shapes our world. For example, if you can figure out how an ant colony feeds itself, you can figure out how to get popular on the internet. If you want to know more, I’ve assembled a World Class reading list over at my site – Trey’s Book List.
All the while, just focus on creating great content. Great content will always win in the end, and you can wait for the Internet’s discovery engines to find you. They will, at some point. By paying attention to the books and thoughts above, you can do many things to “help” the internet discover you.
Ask anybody that is popular on the internet for their secrets, and they will tell you the same thing. Their approach to art is no different then their approach to the internet. They experiment, they fail, they forgive themselves, they try again, they fail, they have occasional successes, but they don’t give up. In fact, this is no secret at all! It’s just a way of being. As an analog, I’ll give you another quote from Renoir: “Anyone can look at my materials or watch how I paint–he will see that I have no secrets.”
You will remember in the beginning of this section, I claimed that this “How do I get popular on the Internet” question to be not in the right spirit. I notice some people want to be popular for the wrong reasons:
1. It’s cool to be popular and happiness is easier
2. Because when you are popular, you get what you want
3. Because then I will know I am a good person because so many people like me
Okay, those are all horrible reasons. Here is another dirty secret… MOST people that are popular on the internet did not set out to be popular. And frankly, they don’t know what the heck to do with themselves once they get popular! I started a charity page where Team Stuck In Customs lends money to entrepreneurs around the world. That’s one thing, I suppose. But, like everyone else, we just kind of cobble this together as we go along!

I’ve Reached the End of the World
It requires an absolute purity of creative soul and purpose to get popular in the right way. All my close friends know that I would sit up all night processing photos whether or not anybody noticed. In fact, that is what I did years before anyone did! I bet you can name a few people who are popular who “don’t deserve” to be so. And then you hear little stories about them from time to time. It makes you question if they are in it for the right reasons…
The real key is to care less whether or not you are popular, and just keep creating great art. Do soft things in the background to help the Internet notice you. Want to know my Twitter strategy? It’s very simple. I do 33% sharing other artists and inspirational finds, 33% sharing my own work, and 33% connecting people with others they would find interesting. That’s it. Don’t over-promote or under-promote… find a balance while sharing with the world all that inspires you. Help people out. It’s simple!
“If you are passionate about your art, keep it pure, and are generally a nice person, WE will bend over backwards to make sure you are noticed! That’s what we’re here for!” – The Internet (as channeled by Trey)
To that end, I’ll leave you with a last quote from Renoir, who, like most of us, spent the bulk of his life relatively unnoticed.
“The work of art must seize upon you, wrap you up in itself, carry you away. It is the means by which the artist conveys his passions; it is the current which he puts forth which sweeps you along in his passion.”





















“She balls hysterically because the man did not choose her.”
I believe she balls hysterically if the man does pick her but bawls hysterically if she’s not picked.
Sorry, couldn’t help myself………….Good article overall.
Egad – man did he call me out on my personality disorder! I guess the key also lies in finding the personality that is most important to you and staying true to that. What’s the old prayer:
“God, grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change;
The courage to change the things that I can;
And the wisdom to know the difference. “
Amen.
Really timely quote for me. This is the second one I’ve stumbled across in a month. Really lifts my spirits. Thanks.
Hey, I really liked this blog. I can relate, I’ve been doing the HDR thing now for about a year and the photo’s I have on Flickr that get the most hits and responses are my HDRs. I feel like I create more and get more artistic with HDR and Topaz,etc. I’ve been a serious photographer now for 38 years and have never taken one dime for it so I’m really the only person I am trying to please. Thanks Trey for the HDRspotting link! I’m going to get one of mine on there and if no one looks at it I will still sleep well tonight and look forward to something new tomorrow.
Great post Trey and very interesting. You hit the nail right on the head for me, when you talk about trying to please others by looking how many views and how many comments I get on my photos. I got to start switching my thinking process to what please me! Reminds me of “If you build it they will come!” Thanks for sharing with us and see you on Twitter!
Hi Trey!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’ve been following your site some two years now and your tutorial has been a real breakthrough for my HDR work.
More surprised I was to find a totally other topic handled in this guest blog. I was positively surprised. And…the question how to become noticed bothered me quite a while. I want to raise as a noticed photographer, but I enjoy just taking photos and the process of crafting even more.
For all of you out there, there is some advice how to get some more attention:
Write a good review on your page or blog! People find that. It catapulted my blog from as little as a 134 hits in 6 months to almost 8000 in the 6 months after releasing some three reviews. People find that on the net and eventually, after reading they head over to your work. It’s just a small thing, well writing it is sometimes big and time consuming, but, you share something to the community and eventually in the future you receive something back even if it just the recognition (ohhh, my preciousssss)
@Trey: I would love to be invited to the HDRspotting. Anyway I will follow your tweet because I really like the concept of attention distribution engines – that’s what we need!
I love this quote from Trey -”They experiment, they fail, they forgive themselves, they try again, they fail, they have occasional successes, but they don’t give up”
It reminds me of my favorite quote “I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.” by – Thomas A. Edison
Thanks for the great article.
I’m sorry to rain on your parade but HDR sucks @$$. I used to be into it and then realized that my images, and everyone else’s who does HDR, look way too cartoonish. How often do you see pro’s use HDR?
Moose Peterson uses it in a lot of his landscape work.
The trick is not to over do the “light smoothing” point. I harkly ever go to the left but use only the right 2 points. Used correctly and then finished off in PS great photos will come.
You’re so ill-informed that it’s kind of embarrassing
The fact is that when a pro uses HDR in a realistic way, you won’t see it’s HDR. Expanding the dynamic range of a picture means showing things that are at each end of the light spectrum, and it can be done without looking cartoonish.
I’m no good at HDR but I think much of it is very cool. You don’t rain on my parade at all — art is completely subjective. If we toured an art museum and you disagreed with all my likes/dislikes why would that bother me? Same with photos and image processing…
The “everyone else’s who does HDR” is clearly not true though. I suspect you’ve seen plenty of images which used some HDR processing but never had a clue.
This troll is making rounds bashing HDR – as if the whole genre is bad because he doesn’t get how to do it…
HDR does not equal tonemapping. Trey needs to educate not obfuscate. A majority of his work does not represent HDR in fact many of is photos are merely tonemapped and have little to nothing to do with HDR. His beautiful psychedelic world is misleading masses into thinking that HDR is an effect. Great for selling books and keeping Trey traveling… but setting back the HDR frontier.
@qtip: very perceptive remarks.. i remember Mr. Ratcliff saying something to the effect that “HDR represents what what [he] sees in reality”.. perhaps the key words here is “in reality”… i’d love to do eye swaps with him if his works are truly what he sees in front of him.. then again, we are each our own person and NOT trey ratcliff, so we’ll never get the true thing, just a version distilled from his great imagination.. and i think this is where lines get muddled.. what Mr. Ratcliff has said and then represents (via his work) don’t quite match.. i’m all for HDR and the question is whether is can be(come) an artform.. my answer is “yes”!! Mr.Ratcliff is just so good at what he does, and i’ll credit him for getting me into the medium in the first place. but then again, how much detail can one see on a mountain range that is hundreds of miles away from them? again, the problem of Mr. Ratcliff’s “message”–mismatch between vision and representation. UNLESS, you consider “reality” as “art” with both being equally subjective..
qtip, i’m curious.. how would you distinguish “HDR” from “tonemapping”?
I would say that HDR is light information exceeding 14 stops (using film as a loose marker). So a 32-bit file that contains information conforming to said marker = HDR
I would say that TMO (tone map operator) is an algorythm that attempts to show 32-bit information on an 8-bit platform. The same operators can be applied to a file that does not contain light information exceeding 14 stops.
The bottom line… In the near future when real HDR displays become a reality where does Trey fit in? Suddenly he’s a dinosaur drumming a tonemap drum…
Hey qTip:
HDR = the types of images that are being tonemapped to this kind of effect. Try as you might… getting into the technical measure-details of what HDR versus tonemapping is – the general populous will always see it as HDR.
If Trey focused on educating people on how files need 14 stops of information using film (which very few newage photogs get anyway) and how 32bit images store whoosewhatsits.. the eyes would roll into the back of the heads of the general populous.. and not a single image would be made.
Arguing what HDR is and what Tonemapping actually is, is about as useless as arguing about whether there is a “Right” or “Wrong” way to use HDR. Its a technique.. learn it or dont learn it.. It’s up to the individual.
In the end, he’s a dinosaur with the Book deal.. so he must be doing something right.
RC
@rc To me your logic is like saying because 99% of people are uneducated why educate? Take their money and run. I guess I’m just into the truth and the idea that it eventually sheds it’s light (quite literally in this case).
My beef is not rooted in jealousy… Cute girls can spew nonsense, have millions of followers and sell anything. My beef is that HDR is an amazing frontier that has nothing to do with Trey’s ‘art’ and Trey’s ‘vision’? I’m asking him to be a leader. Educate. Explain.
@rc… BTW HDR is not a TECHNIQUE. Good god. There is no return. Your all hopelessly lost and Trey is leading you off the edge of the flat planet he ‘discovered’.
Wow you can certainly count on the topic of HDR to bring out the trolls and the pedants. This is REALLY about folks who simply don’t care for Trey’s work finding an excuse to bash it.
@jason – sucks ass? This is the comment of a 13-year-old and not helpful.
@qtip – please state your qualifications and establish some authority for your position. We know Trey’s qualifications. His work has been featured everywhere, sold commercially and has resulted in a book from a major photo book publisher.
What have you done?
And all I’m saying is that it’s not Trey’s ’cause’ to promote the technical frontier of HDR. He sees HDR as art.. as all of the people in his space do.. He didn’t coin it so.. and could care less that it was..
Let the scientists and the technologists worry about educating on the details.. IMHO as it is people get sooo involved with the technical nitty gritty of things that you miss so much of the picture.
RC
The general case being made here is that
HDR is not ‘really’ HDR – Its actually “Tonemapping” and that we owe it to the legions looking at HDR to actually see it as Tonemapping..
All i’m saying is… So? I mean, seriously.. So? Let’s fathom that we immediately and simultaneously change the collective mindshare in one instant and we get it ALL to be called Tonemapping. What does that do for Tonemapping? What does it do for the amazing frontier of HDR that people cant really see.. but is just waiting for that collective understanding of definition so it can get its due? What does it do for the artists that are doing the image? Or the scientists that are exploring the other.
Its a term for a technique.. equating the world being lost because we decided to use the term to define a technique isn’t going to melt the polar caps any faster or slower.
@Borne
Ah so that’s how it is. He who has the biggest following has the authority to speak the truth?
At what point do we stop educating and start selling the wave of the future short?? At what point do we stand up and say ‘hey folks’ this thing that you all call HDR is much more than an ‘artistic expression’. It’s about shattering light barriers that film set so long ago. It’s about seeing things one step closer to reality. AMAZING. I just feel that Trey paints it as a circus sideshow.
BTW. trolling usually doesn’t have a shade of truth to it…
qtip I didn’t ask you what your following was or say that he who has the biggest following wins – I asked you to establish your credentials for attacking Trey – you were unable to provide any and deflected. Nuff said.
qtip is technically right in that what we lowely people call HDR is really a tonemapped HDR image. BUT, until we all have affordable HDR monitors on our desks (how many years is that going to be again???) this is what the masses have equated to HDR.
So qtip, what actions (other than bashing on a blog) are you taking to correct the worlds mind set to the difference? I doubt whatever it is, you will find success. Once the term is coined it sticks.
@TWP
I wish I had an answer to that. I guess all I’m asking is for all the influential players that defend HDR as ‘art’ to step back, understand the big picture, educate the masses. Fill them with information that leads them to understanding the concept. That’s much nobler than selling your ‘craft’ or ‘process’ or ’software’ or ‘book’ or ‘youself’ or ‘camera-x’. I humbly apologize for my outburst but you all must admit that as long as HDR is painted as an ‘expression of individual artistic freedom’ it will never TRULY be understood.
Do I dig Trey’s work? actually yeh sure it’s cool… “It’s ART” I’m just asking him (and all the other ‘big fish’) to re-enforce what HDR actually is and what it means going forward.
I guess if all that matters in this day and age is followers, kudos, sponsors, payola and speaking events. My point of view is easily dismissed.
@qtip re: “all the influential players that defend HDR as ‘art’ to step back, understand the big picture, educate the masses. Fill them with information that leads them to understanding the concept. That’s much nobler than selling your ‘craft’ or ‘process’ or ’software’ or ‘book’ or ‘youself’ or ‘camera-x’. I humbly apologize for my outburst but you all must admit that as long as HDR is painted as an ‘expression of individual artistic freedom’ it will never TRULY be understood.”
i can see where this comes from now.. like, if those peeps posting crapshots understood the technicals, MAYBE (keyword there is “maybe”) they’ll find less inclination to makes those crapshots in the first place.
@jason: i used to be into HDR and i’m still into it, despite of all the pure crapshots i see on flickr.. from the getgo, i’ve stayed clear of the no-lightsmoothing/high high-pass/supersaturated look.. maybe you weren’t offered the right kind of criticism and suggestions from others to keep you interested in the medium.. my philo re:HDR is keeping things as subtle as possible, and i like to think of the tonemapping process as one of recovery.. part of the problem with HDR is that quite a few people seem to think the art can be reduced to a program or a plugin, and their photos speak for it.. there’s nothing wrong with using something like Lucis or TopazAdjust, but there’s also more to it than just clicking “OK.” every shot one takes is a creature unto itself and will demand a process different from the shot taken before (or after) it.
One of the many things I love about this Kelby blog is the occasional foray from pure photography into caring for others.
Last year, Scott introduced me (us) to Springs of Hope and it became our holiday charity that year. This year, all the gifts are sent but we’re still looking for our charity donee. Then I read this blog and the idea of Kiva and microloans comes up. Problem solved.
Trey, I look at your site every day; most of my work is HDR – and that includes all of my favorites. Your images and tutorials have done wonders to improve my work, and that includes a few “duh!” moments like ‘manage minor ghosting by masking’.
Your book arrived Monday (but I’m on a business trip, so haven’t seen it). I’ll be reading it on the plane next week (Costa Rica Vacation). I willing to bet, sight unseen, that I’ll bring back better images because of it.
Thanks for all you do, and best wishes for your holidays (and you, too, Scott and Brad)
Good post. I agree with Ken I have been taking pictures for a few years now. More so recently. I have started my own web page to showcase some of the photos. My most viewed pages are the HDR ones.
Extra money would be nice, but in the end I take the photos and post them because I like to go through the process. I haven’t made any money on these photos, and that is okay. I am just having fun with the journey.
Trey….so nice to see you here on Scott’s blog. The first two blogs I check daily are this one and yours…the internet is a such a cool place. I have never met you in person, but feel like you are a friend…amazing, really. Maybe to people in their 20’s, it is common place, but for the rest of us that did not grow up with computers and the internet, I find it a new phenomenon that we are able to develop friendships on the internet.
I believe your popularity on the internet stems from this….you somehow come across in your daily blog entries as a “friend”, and you make your guests feel right at home…I can say the same thing about Scott Kelby’s blog…you really feel like you are talking with a good friend when you read his blog. I have met Scott at Photoshop World, and he is just as friendly in person as he is on his blog (probably doesn’t remember me from Adam, but that’s ok)…and I am willing to bet you are the same…
Great guest post, and congrats on your new book!! I hope someday we can shoot together here in Indonesia…give me a call when you are back in this part of the world…
Cheers,
Scotty
Jakarta, Indonesia
You really hit home with this blog post. I love taking photographs- I hate that there are so many “crappy yet successful” ones in my area (or am I just jealous that they found a way to be successful despite their mediocrity?) yet want to be an artist merely because it moves me.
I am learning to just sit with these feelings. To realize that just because I am good at something, or because it moves me, does not necessarily equate to business success. I am learning to accept that things are what they are, and I don’t need to try to force them to be more.
I have stayed up all night to get the right kind of photograph of the moon that I wanted. I have stayed up for hours, editing a photo to what I felt was perfection- merely because I was so caught up in the creative moment that time ceased to exist. I have been moved to tears by things and put the camera away to experience them in first person, with nothing in between.
My philosophies about “art” are evolving- but through it all I am learning to just accept what is, while striving for more. It’s an amazingly delicate balance.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts- this is a great blog post, and really resonates with me.
Love, love, LOVE this post!
Thanks! You are so right!
this is 5 stars on flickr hehe no really great post very inspiring great images the whole ten
I’ve had Scott’s blog as my homepage for sometime now, and its great to see you as a guest blogger. Your work has failed not to inspire me for at least the last 2 years now. As I quessed it would, your post hits home on so many levels. That part about the bachelor and then checking flickr was pretty freakin’ funny actually. Congrats on the book and see you in January. Thanks for having Trey here Scott
Trey, great to see you here. I’m a long-time follower of your blog, as well as Scott’s. I am looking forward to your seminar in Tampa next month. You are a great teacher, and have a fantastic eye.
Trey
You are an inspiration to me, I have loved your work for many years , and totally believe in all you do, your thoughts and processes are exactly as i think and wish i could do, I am so pleased you have made this possible for all of us and are getting us noticed. As for flickr hits well I used to get about 5 on HDR spotting I have had so far OVER 3,000 on the first 2 pics I posted, finally someone understands our work,
Please keep up all your great work and efforts…
All the best to you and your family.
Dale
Trey,
I’ve gotta tell you, I appreciate something like HDRSpotting. Great idea and it has some potential.
But without a better process (and submission guidelines), the editors are just encouraging the people who are grossly overdoing their images to take things even farther.
On one hand you have your own website that says “hey, this is how you do it correctly…don’t over do it.” But then you brand another website that showcases those who completely miss the boat and give “Editors Picks” to technicolor nightmares.
And yes…no one really gets hurt from that. But it’s not getting people the constructive criticism they need and it inevitably breeds more of the opposing community (like the douche above) who find it necessary to go wherever they can to find a comment box and rag on how all HDR images look like cartoons.
Amen to that, Peter.
rag on how all HDR images look like cartoons
This is what I’m talking about. clueless leading the clueless. If you understand that HDR does not = tonemapping or algorithms … Raise your hand and tell Trey to stop spreading the virus that plagues the concept of capturing light beyond 14 stops.
Honestly? Complaining in anonymity just makes you a weak person.
Stop wasting time with comments. Start a blog, write some posts on why you disagree and back it up with facts, and then *show* us some of your work.
Until then? Empty drivel from a kid who lives in Mom’s basement.
@Peter funny how all the anonymous cowards are always 10-feel tall in their mom’s basement
Preach on brother.
Funny how the ‘pillars’ of the internet are so threatened by someone who speaks the truth. Why are you attacking me ‘personally’ and not attacking what I’m laying before you??
Step up, be a leader. Speak to my concern that generations of photographers will not understand the core concept of HDR because the pop pied pipers told them it’s an ‘expression of your inner artist vision’
At this point…it’s like…I want to refer to all of my tone mapped images as HDRs just to piss this guy off.
Bloody Christ man! Did your most cherished loved one leave you for the arms of a Clueless Cartoonist? A little perception would do you well…we are all CLUELESS! And there is plenty of education available, since when has ANYONE bore the responsbility to shove education down the throats of those who do not want it? My hand is raised to tell you to take a valium, and draw some cartoons and compare them to the photographs in the honorable Mr. Ratcliffs book. My advice to you Mr. QTIP is to ask yourself..So what? Don’t you think your energy would be better directed at addressing climate change or lack of food in Sudan than debating the “definition” of HDR and spreading your poisonous droll? Or how about this, Bust out the jewels that you snipped off, reattach them and go get your wife back from the cartoonist…
“But you do like black and white, right? Oh, that’s realistic. The world is all black and white and grey after all.”
You made me laugh right there. Only a few short weeks ago a very good friend and well known photographer and I were having a discussion. He loves what HDR can do, but he’s not very good at it. I told him that there were a great many folks who weren’t fans, and who felt HDR isn’t realistic. And he said to me almost exactly what you said in the line above. Well said Trey!
Thanks for sharing here, and sharing through your site and work as well. That inspirational eye candy out there…..? Years ago I stumbled upon Stuck In Customs and got a giant inspirational boost! Keep doing what you’re doing.
Very good.
Thank you.
Great Trey, one of the best posts I’ve seen on this blog.
Thanks!
Bravo! True and inspirational.
Just said it all!
Cheers!
Great insight Trey! I always enjoy listening and watching you grow as an artist.
I have been doing HDR for a long time and not realizing it was HDR. I never really dove into photomatix and topez untill I met Rich Charpentier and he turn me onto Trey site HDR spotting about a month ago. I have not been able to find amazing results yet by using photomatix or topez. mainly because all my HDR is people and if you have ever tried people in photomatix or topez you know how fast you can make a model mad when you add 10 years to her life
. I am not thrilled with a lot of results of over cooked images in these programs. but when you see someone like Trey or Rich Charpentier do it right you cant help but to want to jump in and try their way of doing things.. I have tried it many times and I find they have it down for landscapes.. I tried it on my people shots and was not to thrilled with the results. so I have gone back to my old way of doing HDR on people.
care to share your way of tonemapping people? i’d like to see and know how.
Well I do it all in photoshop.. I dont use the photoshop HDR they have in there at all.. never could figure out how it worked. lol I cant really explain my way of doing things on here to get the HDR look I get. because I spend anywhere from 2 hours to 6 hours on one image.. so to type it all here would be nuts
and every single image is different.. thats why I have had little success with photomatix and topez.. with those 2 programs some images come out cool others dont.. but if i do all the work in photoshop then i can do any image i choose to work with.. sorry I wish I could explain it better .. but the conversation here is geared towards Tery way of doing things.. and im always impressed by his work. I am a fan of his stuff and a fan of Rich Charpentier work as well.
How can someone who calls tone-mapped raw photos HDR become so popular and completely obfuscate the essence of the acronym? This is the real mystery of the internet… It will take decades to undo what Trey done for the HDR fronteer. It’s about light not Trey’s psychedelic privileged world!
lol think they said the same thing about Elvis at one point or another
good point, he took an amazing African American tradition and claimed his crown. I suppose it’s the same. Why educate when you can just hoodwink the masses?
You obviously haven’t looked at his blog or read how he creates his photos. Almost all of them are 5-shot bracketed photos. He then uses software to merge those together to create the raw HDR photo. Once he has that done, he then becomes an artist and manipulates that photo to his liking. So yes, he IS doing HDR. He just happens to be doing more with the HDR photo, and that’s ok. It’s art. Some like it, some don’t. Some of his I feel are way too colorful, others are just amazing, not only the end photo but the framing and composition of the original shot.
How about you share with us some of your HDR photos? I would but I have not done any.
@qtip. You rock dude. Keep sticking to them.
I like cartoons…can someone direct me on how to make Cartoons…is it some brand new tecnique called HDR? WAS HDR what they used to make the Flinstones? I love the Flinstones….I think Walt Disney loved the Flinstones too…did he invent HDR? Qtip, can we make cartoons together? If HDR is what we use to make cartoons and you are the expert on HDR, we should make cartoons that are better than the Flinstones…and is it merely a coincidence? The Cartoon store is only 14 stops from my house….We are SO on the same page man! Please…can we be best friends forever! PLEAASSSEEEE!
Wonderful. HDR is new to me and I haven’t really experimented much with it and of course thought that I only liked the “realistic” looking HDR photos but that’s not true. I love the images that you showed here and I am going to check out your blog right now (add it to the list of amazing people I have been introduced to on this site).
Great words of inspiration and you had me laughing with the “black and white” quote too. I was busted in that moment!!!
this writeup speaks to many, including myself.. in the end what matters is whether you (or others) were in control of your shot.
Oh By the way Trey, The world was ‘already HDR’…. You had nothing to do with it.
As I read the internet by brail, I am curious as to how you explain that the world is already HDR….. if one cannot percieve light, does that mean that the world is HDR? If Qtip was taken out by a falling tree and no one was around, would there be a noise? I should say there would be a noise, a joyful one…Merry Christmas!
This must be the day the internets are trying to tell me something. I read two articles today stating more or less the same, while being in some sort of anti-photography rut. Great article, Trey, I needed this!
The fact is the average person looking at photos doesn’t know the difference between HDR and DVD. Most people who see mine think they are paintings. I don’t have any problem throwing in the occasional HDR.
I’m no photo pro, but HDR photography simply increases the dynamic range beyone what current digital cameras can capture. What we do with our HDR images is an expression of the artist in all of us. Trey’s post above, his blog, and his new book gives us photo inspiration, IMHO.
I believe that another part of your work is the Creative Commons license. There are so many artists that are so paranoid that their work is going to get stolen that they plaster Copyright water marks all over their beautiful images. You on the other hand say “take it and have fun with it” (recently posted in a @TreyRatcliff tweet). Nobody wants to take a 600 x 800 image with water marks all over it and put it as a background on their computer or use it on their blog. These paranoid photographers are afraid someone is going to make money off of their work. My take is that anybody who wants to work at it can take pretty pictures. So why not just be happy if someone appreciates it enough to look at it and make a comment. I’ll find other ways to feed my family.
As far as HDR? I use it to overcome the SEVERE limitations of my camera. There are literally hundreds of shots I have walked away from over the years (without shooting one frame) just because there was no way to capture the dynamic range in the scene. When I did try, my results were only mediocre. I use HDR to help me get to the image that I have in my mind’s eye. Every artist should have the final image in their head BEFORE they actually shoot. HDR helps me get what I see not only in front of the lens, but what is in my head. I agree with Trey in that some people just see the world the same way a limited camera sees it. That is OK with me, just don’t bash my art because I don’t let limited equipment constraints limit my artistic vision.
HDR is a tool. And just like any other tool, it can be used to create mutilated cadavers of what started off as a decent image. It still is not a replacement for good composition, which even HDRSpotting is still struggling with. (Sorry Trey, but HDRSpotting should really consider taking a harder look at composition. Look at 1X.com) I believe that photographers should spend time with programs like Photomatix to enhance their art, not take it over. Use HDR for what it is, another tool in the cabinet.
Sorry…just had to rant…
Love seeing that you’ve “embraced failure” to achieve success. Great leadership, IMHO. I hope you have a h00t speaking at tonight’s inaugural Austin SMUG and I look forward to meeting you in-person.
jeff
(SmugMug CMO)
I find it very interesting (and amusing) that Trey doing what it is you should do as a photographer, combining passion with technology to share his heart, brings out any flames. His photography, content and finishing, leave no space to wonder if his heart is in it or not. The proof of his love for his world and his photography is in the pudding and not the recipe. I really don’t care how many stops he did or did not combine, I just love the results and as a lover of visuals, that all that counts.
It’s also ~very~ interesting that nearly all the comments here are by men. Hard for men to connect with that side of photography and talk about it? Passion that is, no problem talking histograms and technique. Perhaps that’s why Trey’s message, both his words and photographs cause a controversy?
You can’t see it Trey, but here’s one standing ovation to your work!
Very well said Moose!
Amen! This is a free country, those that don’t like it don’t need to look at it. I admire Trey’s skill as a photographer, artist, and teacher. I’m also thrilled to be going to his HDR workshop in January!
Moose, If you see this, I contacted (tried) about the D3s and my problem getting them to open and convert to DNG in PS Cs4. Well now there is camera raw 5.6 upgrade that will handle the D3s (just like my D3). Didn’t know if you had seen it.
Cheers Moose! Well put
Exactly. It’s all emotion and no content. Rounding the wagons and making HDR an ‘emotional issue’ negates the definition and usurps it with a lot of fluff talk. You nailed it right on the head. It’s the idea that: “I love the ‘HDR look’ and therefor my love insulates me”
HDR = passion
HDR = tonemapping
HDR = a look
HDR = a post process
HDR = i like
HDR = i don’t like
HDR = art
HDR = hot pancakes
HDR = photomatix
HDR = photoshop
HDR = trey
See what I’m getting at here? Call it semantics but how will we communicate if we don’t even know what were talking about? Again, my issue is that Trey is using it as a ‘plate for his art’ . This causes great confusion in the general public (and here!). Is it too much to ask someone who is banking on and cementing his name to a concept to present little accuracy? Or shall we all just bow to ‘the new currency’??
Qtip, here’s my problem with all your arguments. If you have such 20/20 insight and wisdom into this HDR, why are you still hitting your head against a wall of folks who like/love Trey’s message? I mean if you are so wise, that’s completely illogical and pretty much negates your message. And since the sun did rise today even with all of Trey’s abuse of HDR, it pretty much indicates that your message really doesn’t change a thing, life with Trey’s message can still continue on. Perhaps taking a positive approach rather than a negative one, a forward versus angry tactic, you might reach more photographers and change perceptions. As it stands though right now, it would just seem you’ve pushed that qtip in just a little too far!
HDR = Hot Pancakes? I LOVE HOT PANCAKES! Pancakes and Flinstones! Do you like Flinstones Mr. QTIP? I love Flinstones! I even take Flinstone Vitamins because they taste so good. Dino is my favorite..and Bam Bam….I digress. We were discussing Hot Pancakes….is HDR a new technique for making Hot pancakes?…I must learn more about this HDR thing….You can use it to make Hot pancakes AND Flinstones? Can I use it also to make Flinstone Vitamins? Why are you so angry about HDR? If you can use HDR to make pancakes and flinstones, why does that make you so sad? Pancakes and Flinstones are my favorite…they would never make me sad…
Beautiful post and way to get people to try something different.
We can run round and round about this tech vs that definition, its a picture in the end, if you dont like it, move on. If you do, enjoy it.
The letter of the law kills but the spirit gives life.
Kudos Kelby.
Wouldn’t be great if we could get some popcorn, 3d glasses and watch the togs fighting over 01010111001 stuff? Chill lads! Is the result that counts. As long as it pleases the soul then is fine. And even if it doesn’t, it is still fine. Photography is a way of communication and if I am not mistaken, in all the civilized countries, there is a freedom of speech. Beethoven’s music was considered pornography at its time because was triggering feeling that people couldn’t comprehend. HDR might not apeall to all, chillax, sit down and watch the world go by or better..go out and take some photos!
Peace all!
Trey, What a great read. Takes me back 40 years to my friends and my talks of art and photography.
I love using HDR to try and get the most realistic looking landscape. I read your tutorial and finally learned how to turn my gray skies blue.
Keep it coming.
Clint
Very insighful piece Trey and a well deserved congrats on your recent book sell outs!
I do enjoy your HDR spotting distro engine – does a very nice job boosting the ego a bit – thanks much -;0)
Cheers,
John E Adams
It was cool the first time it was done and it does have it’s applications (when used correctly)… You can already tell it’s a fad, just like the super white vignettes and cheesy backdrops…
Learn how to light, and to take a good photo without tone mapping etc, then apply it subtly. I can’t stand the circle jerk that is flickr super saturated with the HDR photographers out there. To the untrained eye, it’s an easy way to make a photo “look” more appealing.
I just feel people get tricked by the “oh pretty colours”.
Well said.
In 1950 at the age of 12, I was using a red Christmas tree bulb as a “safe light” and exposing contact B&W prints with another white bulb hanging from a cord from the ceiling in my parent’s closet. I did my best to burn and dodge portions of images with pieces of cardboard with either holes cut in them or “lolly pops” on the end of a pencil. Needless to say, the results were less than Ansel Adams quality. Here we are 59 years later and I am now doing the same things with PhotoShop and tone mapping. The technology has come a long, long way. But it is, basically, the same old thing. The “tone mapping” software is in its barest infancy. It creates halos and that “over-cooked” look with ease. It will get orders of magnitude better in a few years erasing much of the controversy between photo-realism (whatever that is) and art (whatever that is). I tend toward my own style. But I appreciate the impact of other approaches. I began doing HDR long before I ever heard of Trey Ratcliffe. Most of his work I like quite well. On the other hand, my preference is for a little lighter “cook” on some images. My perception of my reality and artistry is obviously different from someone else’s. I like virtual reality images and HDR/VR and HDR/panoramas and HDR macros and just plain old “from the camera” well composed images. I also like a wide variety of food ranging from “meat and potatoes” to Serrano peppers and home made Tabasco sauce. But that is just me. I will continue to watch Trey’s site nearly every day. It pleases and inspires me to try harder.
Smart experienced man. Thank you so much. Write a book! Educate em!
Will he write a book on Flinstones? That would be the bees knees! Mr. QTIP, I hope you are happy today….I think yesterday you were a little grumpy….today I hope you have some Hot pancakes for breakfast….I bet you might even use that old HDR to cook em up and toss em around! Boy how I love that HDR! It makes me so happy! Everyone should have an HDR!
“Being an Artist sucks, being an artist is awesome” I think the comments on this thread have a lot to do with why trey wrote what he did. Should I care what other people say, well yes, well maybe, well no, well who knows just balance the three and let your creativity flow. Thanks Trey for your work inspiring other artist and sharing your thoughts with us.
Great post Trey. I have really enjoyed your website for so long and you inspired me to create my own. I am looking forward to getting your book. Thanks to Scott for his great blog too.
Question for Trey: If HDR “is a post-processing task of taking either one image or a series of images, combining them, and adjusting the contrast ratios to do things that are virtually impossible with a single aperture and shutter speed”
Then explain to us what exactly is a major respectable player like Dolby Labs working on: http://www.dolby.com/professional/technology/home-theater/dolby-vision.html ??
A photographic process? A post process filter? A camera? Camera ratios? Impossible things? A psychedelic display system? Are the dolby engineers ‘artists’?
Looking forward, how will we be able to communicate with each other if HDR means everything and nothing at the same time? How can so called experts just sit back and allow pop culture to override the truth? The world IS HDR…
Or is it just as Trey stated. He’s currency and if it sells package it up and sell it now! Don’t bother us with your silly little details… We’re making money here! Emotions are flowing like water and we’re all hooking our wagon to it! Why educate? Why inform? Such silly little details don’t matter… who cares if we call shutter speed ‘camera button’ and iso ‘lcd brightness’. It’s art! and if it’s art we have no accountability! yeehaw! Be creative! Milk the internet! Truth and literary accuracy is so lame, who cares about that jazz? “new currency is “attention””
Holy schnikes, now it’s compared to Dolby… my eyes are already beginning to roll into the back of my head..
*coma*
Dolby! I dig that cats videos the most..like “She blinded me with Science”…so Sir Thomas Dolby uses the HDRs too? Where can I get these HDRs? Boy..I sure hope someone gets me some HDRs this year for christmas! Mr. Qtip…My mom says your a mean old man and that I should do something to cheer you up…she says that you’re like Mr. Scrooge…She says you’re a mean one Mr. Grinch…she says that you’re bitter and grumpy and you need a hug…..Mr. Qtip…can I hug you please? I want you to be happy….Will you read Dr. Seuss to mee please? That way we can be happy together! And then maybe we can use your HDRs to make some Hot pancakes….OH BOY!
Ladies, Gentlemen:
It’s obvious this person qtip needs professional help. Do not waste anymore of your time trying to reason with him.
qtip, the only thing I’m learning from your rabid point of view is that you really don’t like Trey at a very personal level. Instead of the constant blasting, why don’t you put up a link to your personal work, the technical sharing you’ve done to teach others a new technique if they find it interesting, and demonstrate the time spent where you’ve showcased a vision where art and technology can meet? I’m done reading your judgemental crap.
I second that SaltDog – qtip seems to have a lot of hot air to blow – but doesn’t seem to want to share any of HIS/HER work … I’m over it too. Lots of empty words.
Trey, carry on. You made me realize that I needed to pick up my camera again. Thanks for the new vision of the many ways simple or complex photography can be artfully done.
What a fantastic blog post, and discussion. Photography is all about mixing the ingredients of vision, art, experimentation, technology, and passion. The portions of each vary from person to person. Unless he or she is a Photographer, the average viewer usually could care less about the “how”… it’s the end result that counts.
I applaud Trey for his work, the big bold images on his site, and his courage and commitment to educate other folks on this technique.
Hi Trey,
This is a great inspirational piece to me. I’m just starting out with HDR Photography and loving the art form!
Hi nice collection of
photography
Good on you Trey. You’ve taken something that many people love to do on worldwide (taking photos) and made a shit hot living out of it!!! That’s a really difficult thing to do with such a huge base of photographers worldwide – especially since every man and his dog now owns a DSLR. That’s got merit in itself – who wouldn’t want to travel the world doing what they love?!
Needless to say your images are great – not every single one is to my taste but everyone does things differently and has a different perception of each image. And that’s a great thing because life would be pretty bland if we all wanted exactly the same thing.
Poor old Qtip…. such a tool.
@ Qtip -